Crying at home because police made me realise I am not English

[MillyAndFriends]

I am an intelligent, educated, powerful woman who loved UK. It is the only place where hindus and muslims engage on an equal footing ( I say this because when I was in Bangladesh my gran would not visit her muslim neighbours but that is the norm) I loved the UK, but today I cried.

I am worthless, I am nobody, I don't matter...I am ASIAN, I am BLACK.
Despite paying my taxes and contributing to society I am SHIT, I am worthless, I am nothing (Gandhi fought to make us equal but he failed.....)

I was stood waiting outside a club, I had ordered a cab and I was going to wait outside for my Addision Lee.
I am 7 1/2 stome (obviously a fat arse)
On a pavement in London ( where people must obviously be smaller than me)
When I was asked to move away from the club because I was blocking the way

Oops being 7 1/2 stone I took up all the space

Despite explaining that I was waiting for a cab, I was asked to move to the corner of the road.

I explained that I was waiting for a cab.
The chap became stroppy stating I should go (not very nicely).
As I had explained to him the cab was coming to the place.
He got cross.
Trying to use my brain (why did I bother!) I explained that legally I was entitled to stand where I was ( I couldn't understand what was going on..I didn't like the way he had spoken to me,,,I even explained how much I had spent in the club when the person was being silly- £300+!)

They the THREATENED TO CALL THE POLICE

i SAID GO ON THEN ...Really I thought the POLICE have better things to do!!! Don't they???

In the meantime someone was taking a film....I don't know why..

The police turned up, and I stupidly thought they would listen

They didn't ...I was in the wrong

For some reason someone who was 7 1/2 stone was preventing people walking past the pavement. Due to this, people were crossing on to the road, and I was causing a nuisance.
I asked the police men, are you taking the Micheal and they said NO! I even said " listen to what you are saying re: someone who is 7 1/2 stone (okay I said 6) who is taking up ALL of the pavement....

I am so sorry because I am unable to articulate how SHIT they made me feel.
Bullied, Bullied, Bullied RACIST SHITS.
I AM NOT that time of person to make such comments but I HATE YOU for making me say this.
Even when I rationised with them and explained I have friends who are policemen and I understood the challenges they were going through they were horrible.

I even said to them, do you really want to do this.
Even when they threatened to arrest me, I asked why what is the basis (I spouted some meaningless shit..re: human rights I learnt from uni, and even explained I have a friend who is a policeman, and that I understood their concern)

Shit, shit, shit,
(an idiot was filiming me but I am not sure why as I was rationalised - me thinks)

Best thing was that this lady from the club came out and I explained that you don't own the pavement, I was just waiting for my addision lee. She suggested it would be nice if I stood at the corner and I asked why?

I defended myself,

Why can't I wait on that pavement, you don't own it ...the police didn't agree with me ( I am repeating myself I know because this is SHIT and I am upset!)

And now I am crying, I thought I was English. I even defended England to a Scottish man tonight

I have described the above very nicely but all I know is thanks to tonight I'm NOT English, and I don't want my family to go through the RACIST shit I had to go through to night (the above is a very polite version of stuff...but I cried all the way home when I realised some SHIT ARSE has made be lose my Identity, and that the police who I THOUGT stood up for you would do...

But now I have to accept what my dad said to me, you may think your English BUT don't forget you're BROWN.
Thank you for proving my dad right!

Op, why could not have moved to the side? Or further back from the kerb? You'd still have spotted your taxi.

It sounds to me like you were flexing for a fight and ended up with more than your bargained for. That or you're just a wee bit entitled and twattish.

My dh used to be a bouncer and you are not allowed to loiter outside the club it gives the impression trouble is brewing (even 7.5 stone people can cause trouble ) they ask you to move along for your own safety as well as others,if people were asked to leave the club,they would be taken out the front door and you may become embroiled in trouble you are not connected with,drug dealers may wait outside the club-also the clubs security will be focused on the main entrance and you stood there looks dodgy- clubs also have to have designated 'taxi places' so as to avoid a general hullabaloo when closing.

It wasnt racist and I think you are playing the race card unfairly.

Can someone explain to me why someone should not be allowed to wait on the pavement for their cab? It is something that I have done many many times in the past. Unless it is an especially narrow pavement of course.

And why "entitled and twattish"? Sounds more like the boucer has a cosy arrangement with another rip off cab firm and did not want an Addison Lee cab stopping outside his club. And then called the police on the spurious basis that she was drunk and disorderly.

Other than being argumentative (and she had every right to be), what has she done wrong?

Its been a long night and morning for you.

Clubs dont want people crowding the pavement infront of their door.

My friend was once whiting on the door and she was asked to move further down the road. Its their reputation on the line.

Also they get their license revoked for having people loitering in front of their door (that includes waiting for the taxi).

Sometimes its better to just walk away from such a situation, because the other party is in a position of power, such as bouncers, police.

No one was being racist to you. Did anyone say "Oi you brown person, can you move away?"

Write if off as a bad experience and get on with life.

The alleged shoving is another matter entirely and without knowing whether she was being deliberately obstructive or trying to physically resist all attempts to move her on, then we cannot comment. Some people will always interpret any physical contact from a PO as heavy handed assault if it suits their agenda. We all know that. But her main rant is one of racism, and as far as I can see she has said absolutely nothing whatsoever that warrants an allegation of racism.

I don't get this "clubs don't want", "clubs don't allow" business. The club has no more right to the pavement in front of it than anyone else. It is a public right of way. And waiting for a taxi is not loitering. Outside every London club, there always seem to be plenty of dodgy taxi drivers plying for trade (clearly not moved on by the bouncers).

I am curious under what law boucers are allowed to move people away from the pavement in front of their club.

I take people's point about racism but clearly the OP felt that a white girl would have been treated differently. We have no idea without being there. However, I can see why she feels upset and may have overreacted.

OP, was there anyone else in front of the club waiting for cabs who weren't treated the same way? Did anyone say anything to you even mildly suggestive of racism?

Arry there have been lots of very rational explanations for why she could not wait on that specific bit of pavement!

HM,

To me there is only one that makes any sense. She was obstructing it. If that was not the case, there is no other acceptable reason.

And the fact that the police supported the bouncers view would suggest that they were legally entitled to insist that she complied.

But she was obstructing the way. The bouncer told her she was blocking the way. She could have just moved a few steps down the way or back away from the kerb. Instead she chose to argue.

Most clubs do not like people loitering outside. For all of the reasons already pointed out.

She wasn't told she could not wait for her taxi, she was asked to move aawy from the enterance of the club. Even if she felt the bouncers were in the wrong, it wouldn't have hurt to move further down the street, would it?

HM,

"The alleged shoving"

Unless you are troll calling, for the purpose of this thread, it is shoving, not "alleged" shoving. This is a MN thread (under MN rules), not a court of law.

"And the fact that the police supported the bouncers view would suggest that they were legally entitled to insist that she complied."

Haha, as if every policeman carefully considers the legal consequences of every action they take. And no policeman has ever moved anyone on who was legally entitled to be there.

Why couldn't OP just take several steps to one side, rather than argue so loudly with bodyguards that she was filmed and police were called?

Drunk is probably why.

"She wasn't told she could not wait for her taxi, she was asked to move aawy from the enterance of the club. Even if she felt the bouncers were in the wrong, it wouldn't have hurt to move further down the street, would it?"

No, of course not. And, generally, it "does not hurt" to comply with any bullying request from a large man in a DJ after you have just spent £300 in the club of which he is an employee. However, the OP clearly believed that, in this "fair and pleasant" land, she was entitled to argue her case and insist on her rights. How stupid and naive!

Instead the club could have courteously thanked her for coming and helped her into her cab which would have arrived within a very few minutes and she would have had a lovely end to her evening.

Seven and a half stone of pished by the sound of you.

I'd have chucked you in the cells for the night and let you out when sober.

Yeh. No way are you sober after spending 300 squids in a bar...

Cor, I could do with a £300 night out.

Larry - "Instead the club could have courteously thanked her for coming and helped her into her cab."

That's such a lovely thought - but have you ever actually been to London?!

Jodie,

I live in London and have all my life. I hate the "entitled" view of the clubs (though my clubbing days are long behind me now) and bouncers. I have seen bouncers hammering a tramp who happened to be lying on "their" pavement amongst many other things. And they all have links to dodgy mini cab firms ready to rip off anyone a little drunk coming out of them. And, frankly, I think the police turn a blind eye to a lot of it. I imagine it would be more trouble than it is worth to try to police clubs properly. I imagine it is far easier to work with the bouncers as long as they do not actually badly injure someone than to really establish the facts of each individual case.

That is why I am amazed by most people's attitude on this thread. I can see that the OP probably overreacted but I can also see exactly where she is coming from.

Or to any club anywhere in the world?
Or out?
Ever?

larry

I think people are more incensed by the racist argument than whether or not the behaviour of the bouncer and/or police was correct.

Yes it's out of order that bouncers get a bit OTT when they think their turf has been trodden on.

But you can't scream racism every time someone of a different colour tells you to do something you don't like when you're hammered.

Oh God yes, I hate bouncers too. Seen 'em reduce people a third of their size to tears as part of some power trip. Just amused by the image, that's all.

Can't comment on your assertion that the police wilfully permit fraud and violence on the part of clubs and bouncers, since my DH polices the West End, and my comments will this be disregarded as the subjective observations of a Copper's Wife.

*thus not this.

Kick,

I kind of agree re the racism and wish the OP would come back and elucidate more clearly why she thought it was racism.

On the other hand, people could sympathise with someone who has had a bad time rather than trying to attack the weakest point in her argument.

We also don't know the OP was hammered. She could clearly write her first post which comes across as tipsy rather than hammered to me. I just think she was entitled to be better treated and, whether racist or not, it sounds like the club and police bullied her in a completely unnecessary manner.

You would have been moved on by the officers because you were causing a bit of a scene, people tend not to film other people just stood quietly waiting for a taxi not in anyone's way or causing any problems for anyone.

Doormen are instructed by the venues designated person who has it as a term of their license to keep the area by the doors to the venues clear. Crowds by doors, however tiny can make clubs look out of control.

The doormen tried to talk to you, the police officers tried to talk to you but you started on with the yooooman rites stuff which frankly from a pished person is hard to bear. You would have been given an instruction to move on and as you refused officers have legal powers to move you as do doormen

Nothing to do with you being Asian more to do with you being pissed and by the sound of it all argumentative

Hmm, OP you sound like you've got a huge bit of a chip on your shoulder. You were a bit pissed and by all accounts were causing an obstruction.