Page 16 | I run a LGBT Pride: AMA

lgbtpride · 2023-12-20T18:34:16+00:00

Long time lurker but have NC for this. I run an LGBT Pride event. I want to deal with some of the nonsense theories that we welcome pedophiles or have banned lesbians. Ask me anything. (Disclaimer: I won't answer anything specific that might out me.)

TheGateaufromtheChateau · 26/12/2023 09:24

I think that women's safe spaces should be protected and only open to women.

I have already stated that trans women are women, so I don't need to specify here that this includes trans women

women’s safe spaces are safe because they aren’t accessible to biological males. If they are then they aren’t safe spaces. Do you not quite get that?

SquirrelSoShiny · 26/12/2023 09:29

Hermittrismegistus · 20/12/2023 21:54

I'm sorry but this whole welcoming of kinks and fetish, especially when you know children are likely near, just makes it look like gay people are perverts.

I have lots of family in countries with very harsh penalties for homosexuality and when they see the footage of pride events in the west it just confirms their fears about the community.

Pride in the west is doing a great deal of harm to LGB causes in many parts of the world.

This 100%.

The inclusion of TQI+ is causing a backlash against gay people who are just quietly trying to live their lives. The absolute narcissistic self-indulgence of these men (and they are overwhelmingly men) is putting the gay community at risk both in Britain and beyond.

A man displaying his sexual fetishism has fuck all to do with LGB. Consenting adults in private spaces - sure, enjoy your kink. Just don't expect others to participate in it, including the LGB people Pride is ostensibly for.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 26/12/2023 09:52

TheGateaufromtheChateau · 26/12/2023 08:59

Yes of course they should. But it won't be at a trans inclusive Pride event.
Why not?

They are welcome to organise their own Pride if they don't like ours.
So much for worrying about being inclusive 🙄

The problem with this is all the TRAs and misogynists who don’t think we’re welcome to organise our own Pride, or any other kind of women / lesbian only event.

But the OP has made it clear that she thinks physical intimidation & violence, throwing of smoke bombs, abuse through loudspeakers and people chalking obscene graffiti in public places (personally experienced all of these, not making it up) because NASTY WOMEN! are all ok, because Get the L Out held up some placards she didn’t like & so both sides are as bad as each other.

TheGateaufromtheChateau · 26/12/2023 11:13

No harassment or behaviour like that is acceptable at any Pride. No one - trans or GC activists - should be coming to Pride to deliberately wind up the other. Sadly there are far too many in both groups who go around looking for trouble.

Are you fucking kidding me??
The poster you responded to linked to articles about women being harassed and threatened often for nothing more than saying lesbians do not have to sleep with biological males and that’s your response? It’s their fault for winding people up?

ArabellaScott · 26/12/2023 18:16

Obviously they were asking for it.

Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

TheGateaufromtheChateau · 26/12/2023 19:02

Women saying no to men is a hate crime
It seems to me lesbians are vilified for refusing to sleep with biological males. That’s it.

I mean what’s next? Are we going to take start taking incels seriously as well? After all lesbians can’t refuse biological males then why should straight women? Perhaps Elliot Rodger will get his own memorial parade.

I just fine it all rather sinister.

cabbageking · 27/12/2023 16:13

Gay pride in my experience has been a celebration. There has been more issues with drunks, pickpockets and lost items than anything else. Worked security and equality and respect has been a core value of the arrangements. I do not believe the poster does any favours to the gay community. Not even sure he organises anything because I feel many would not work an event following his comments about taking up space. Go to a gay pride event and experience the great event yourself. It is just full of people of all ages having fun.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 27/12/2023 16:43

I used to go to pride. Nowadays I wouldn’t - because I’d feel unsafe if I went in my Lesbian - Female Homosexual T-shirt.

No doubt the OP would say I was asking for trouble by wearing something provoking.

LGBnoT · 27/12/2023 17:05

EmpressaurusOfCats · 27/12/2023 16:43

I used to go to pride. Nowadays I wouldn’t - because I’d feel unsafe if I went in my Lesbian - Female Homosexual T-shirt.

No doubt the OP would say I was asking for trouble by wearing something provoking.

Imagine the definition of lesbianism being seen as hateful at pride.

20 years ago it would be unbelievable.

It still is. But it's true.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 27/12/2023 17:08

LGBnoT · 27/12/2023 17:05

Imagine the definition of lesbianism being seen as hateful at pride.

20 years ago it would be unbelievable.

It still is. But it's true.

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Yep.

Pride is not for proud lesbians. Not any more.

EwwSprouts · 27/12/2023 17:25

ProfessorPeppy · 20/12/2023 19:06

@lamppost123

I was uncomfortable because a man was involving the general public in his sexual fetish. I spend my entire life safeguarding kids, and blokes like this - and by association, the people who enable them - are antithetical to safeguarding. I also have no idea what it’s got to do with LGBT.

Agree.

Ebokebok · 27/12/2023 17:31

lgbtpride · 20/12/2023 20:34

Of course you are welcome. We just ask that allies attend respectfully, not taking space from an LGBT+ person.

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Said without a hint of irony.

Alicewinn · 28/12/2023 23:30

InShockHusbandLeaving · 20/12/2023 20:55

What does “taking space” from lgbtq people involve though? Standing on a pavement where an lgbtq person could have stood, if the non lgbtq person had stayed at home? Can you be clearer please because I’m really confused?

Also, do you welcome anyone who can answer the question “What is a woman” with biological facts? If not, why not?

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You know what it means

InShockHusbandLeaving · 28/12/2023 23:32

Alicewinn · 28/12/2023 23:30

You know what it means

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No I bloody don’t! What special power do you think you possess that makes you able to tell others what they think? Narcissist or what?!!

2024BigWhoop · 30/12/2023 13:14

You keep saying you have rules about what fetish and kink outfits are allowed, and what behaviour is unacceptable etc to ensure nothing untoward is happening, but how do you actually monitor this?

Do people have to queue up one by one and have their outfit looked at before they are allowed to join in?

And surely if there are thousands and thousands of people attending Pride how are they actually monitored?

How do you know if there is a man walking around dressed up in fetish clothes with an erection?

How do you know children aren’t being exposed to inappropriate people or seeing inappropriate messages?

How many volunteers do you have in order to monitor what happens at such a huge event to make sure all the “rules” are followed?

My personal view is that LGB Pride is fab, but the Kink and Fetish aspect should not be celebrated openly on the streets for children to see. It really isn’t appropriate at all.

Baldieheid · 30/12/2023 13:28

lgbtpride · 20/12/2023 19:54

Generally I say to come and engage, have fun, dance (etc etc, depending on the event) but most important remember it's not your event. Give space to the LGBT+ community.

Go to a lecture or a seminar and learn something, and tell your friends afterwards. Honestly, the abuses people face around the world have really opened my (crying) eyes.

The absolute worst thing is hen parties gatecrashing carrying inflatable cocks. I know lots of Prides have the same issue.

Come, enjoy, but stay in your lane.

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Hen parties with inflatable cocks are "worse" than bdsm and kink?

Why?

Do you get stag parties too?

Boomboom22 · 30/12/2023 13:39

Hen parties with sashes and fun are worse than eg rainbow butt monkey. OK then.

Baldieheid · 30/12/2023 14:17

Boomboom22 · 30/12/2023 13:39

Hen parties with sashes and fun are worse than eg rainbow butt monkey. OK then.

Googled that and now wish I hadn't.

Tacotortoise · 30/12/2023 14:20

lgbtpride · 20/12/2023 18:53

Pride began because people demanded we were hidden. Some people still think that. We can only marry someone of the same sex in around 30 countries. In 12 countries male homosexuals can be put to death and in more than 70 they can be jailed.

That's why we still want Pride.

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That makes sense but why the kink? Is there a long history of people being imprisoned, denied work or killed because they're into pup play?

Baldieheid · 30/12/2023 14:37

It's just debauchery.

Pride, to me, used to be about a campaign for same sex couples to have the freedom to live their lives normally, without people protesting or harassing them. Walking down the street holding hands. Having a wedding. Raising a family if they want to. Being accepted at work in the exact same way as your colleagues. Same rules, same expectations re public behaviour, same rights.

That's not the message I get now.

ginasevern · 30/12/2023 14:56

I thought Pride celebrated gay rights whilst aiming to break down prejudices against gay and trans people (the latter being particularly rife at the moment). I also thought it sought to educate around the dangers of being gay in other parts of the world and the various ways to campaign for LGBT equality worldwide.

All good.

But what has Pride got to do with straight men (it is male heavy) who want to dress as dogs, dolls, gimps or Ronald MacDonald and whip each other whilst eating faeces?

To my knowledge you can practice what you please if it doesn't infringe public decency or break the law (rape, murder, abusing animals). Ditto you can wear what you like in public. So they're not campaigning for rights because they already have them and they're not campaigning for inclusion either because how does that work? How would anyone know about their sexual kinks and therefore discriminate against them, any more than my colleagues would know about my sexual preferences.

I'm not alone in thinking that the inclusion/promotion of sexual kinks isn't doing the cause (if it indeed it still is one) any favours.

If the events are just a giant party with no particular message and is a place for people to dress how they like, be who they like and proclaim their sexual proclivities then that's fine too. Basically a festival of anything (legal) to do with sex.

I just don't think it can be both.

Boomboom22 · 30/12/2023 15:44

It's been the latter for a long time. In fact even the original pride many did not want to be heteronormative and get married etc. Many gay people were proud of promiscuity and sex, its always been like that. The ones who think legalising gay marriage is trying to make gay people confirm to straight lifestyles and not be extreme sexually, some have seen this as repression so it is entirely inaccurate to say pride has historically been about fighting to be normal ie live like a straight person. It was a celebration of queerness too.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 30/12/2023 16:56

‘Prejudice’ against trans people - aka knowing that a human being cannot change their sex, and that single sex provision is important for the safety, dignity and rights of biological women, and that their rights to these things cannot be trampled underfoot by trans rights.

Biological men in women’s changing rooms compromise the dignity and safety of women. We cannot tell just by looking which males (no matter how they present) are safe, so excluding all males is the best way to ensure women’s safety. Male puberty confers physical advantages on men that means it is not fair - and in the cases of contact sports, unsafe - for them to compete against biological women.

Third spaces are the obvious answer, but entitled males do not want a compromise - they want women’s rights, spaces, words etc. Resisting this damaging ideology is not hate or prejudice.

LGBnoT · 30/12/2023 17:07

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 30/12/2023 16:56

‘Prejudice’ against trans people - aka knowing that a human being cannot change their sex, and that single sex provision is important for the safety, dignity and rights of biological women, and that their rights to these things cannot be trampled underfoot by trans rights.

Biological men in women’s changing rooms compromise the dignity and safety of women. We cannot tell just by looking which males (no matter how they present) are safe, so excluding all males is the best way to ensure women’s safety. Male puberty confers physical advantages on men that means it is not fair - and in the cases of contact sports, unsafe - for them to compete against biological women.

Third spaces are the obvious answer, but entitled males do not want a compromise - they want women’s rights, spaces, words etc. Resisting this damaging ideology is not hate or prejudice.

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This for days

Baldieheid · 30/12/2023 17:13

Boomboom22 · 30/12/2023 15:44

It's been the latter for a long time. In fact even the original pride many did not want to be heteronormative and get married etc. Many gay people were proud of promiscuity and sex, its always been like that. The ones who think legalising gay marriage is trying to make gay people confirm to straight lifestyles and not be extreme sexually, some have seen this as repression so it is entirely inaccurate to say pride has historically been about fighting to be normal ie live like a straight person. It was a celebration of queerness too.

I presumed it was about equal rights till same sex marriage, etc, came into law. Now it seems to be about whomping women's rights back by at least 50 years by telling us men can be women on their say so, and re-tying the urinary leash round our necks. Guess that's where all those lovely leather clad doggies come in, huh?