Could you go fully plant based? U

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Any vegans/ strict vegetarians on here? Your views on climate change?

Any meat eaters ready to go green and move to a plant based diet for a better environmentally friendly planet?

Been vegetarian since a toddler and was vegan. Also been zero waste for a few years.
To be honest I give up. There’s so many people including massive businesses that me making my life harder and more expensive seems utterly pointless.

Completely fair to blame the meat industry for their dodgy advertising! Meat sales are down so we have the ridiculous plan to sell lamb to the USA! They have enough space to raise sheep but they don’t like eating lamb as a cultural thing. Not very eco, chasing export sales.

It’s very hard to defend the meat industry. Would you work in an abbatoir? If not, question your support of the business.

Could we not continue to let livestock feed on these difficult areas,so the land can continue to flourish,but do not farm them for meat?

Care for them correctly with herd sizes being controlled by sterilization, and let them live to a decent age with them being euthanized by a vet when their time is up?

Deforestation in Brazil is caused by land stripping for feed for cattle.

Not great for bio diversity. That meat is shipped to US and sometimes UK.

@GetInThereLewis

Could we not continue to let livestock feed on these difficult areas,so the land can continue to flourish,but do not farm them for meat?

Care for them correctly with herd sizes being controlled by sterilization, and let them live to a decent age with them being euthanized by a vet when their time is up?

Yes good idea, if the issue really was soil.

Farmers are there to make money tho so who would do this?

NewGirls But farmers luuurve their animals. I'm sure they wouldn't mind. ;-)

@GetInThereLewis

NewGirls But farmers luuurve their animals. I'm sure they wouldn't mind. ;-)

For the planet innit ;)

Wearing their gilets and hugging cows just as a Waitrose photographer happens to be passing

@Newgirls yes I’ve read the report. What is it you’ve got against farmers? The farmers that your beloved report says are putting in hard graft 364 days of the year but have been left with some of the lowest incomes on the entire food chain. Yet you say they’re only tin it for the money….

@GetInThereLewis your post just tells me how little you really understand about the countryside, agriculture and food production. If we didn’t eat animals they just wouldn’t be there. They’d become extinct. That’s honestly the truth.

If we didn’t eat animals they just wouldn’t be there. They’d become extinct. That’s honestly the truth.

Some species going extinct doesn’t justify the cruelty currently taking place.

You’re assuming that life in captivity and being slaughtered is better than not being born in the first place.

DaisyMoo I know what it feels like to slit an animal's throat and watch it die,so while I agree I am as thick as shit I have also experienced the reality of this industry. The arse end so to speak.
Would I sleep better knowing they don't exist? That down the road the won't be 5 barns with 10,000 broliers in each one waiting to die at 6 weeks old many unable to hold their own weight and reach water, or throwing a newborn chick alive into a blender as it was born makes,therefore 'surplus' to the egg industry? Or a sow who is caged, and is unable to turn around,and see her babies, until she is of no more use and can be sent to someone like me who had to hear her scream as she is gassed to death...

Yeah, I'd sleep better tbh.

I do have an issue with some farmers. If the ‘good’ ones feel they are being misrepresented due to industrial and low welfare farming then I hope they speak up within their industry.

@GetInThereLewis I don't agree with animals having their throat slit, they should be stunned so it's a pain free death. What you have described is horrific so I wholeheartedly agree that . If that means more expensive pork or poultry then so be it.

@GetInThereLewis I don't agree with animals having their throat slit. They should be stunned so it's a pain free death. What you have described is horrific so I wholeheartedly agree that should not be allowed. If that means more expensive pork or poultry then so be it. What you've described though isn't the reality of raising grass fed beef, lambs or dairy and you're very unfairly grouping them all together.

@Newgirls I don’t understand what you mean. Are you referring to beef farmers, sheep farmers, dairy farmers? They are very different from the more industrial pig and poultry sectors and I’m sure a pig farmer wouldn’t really appreciate a dairy farmer trying to tell him how to do his job. Is that what you really think should happen?

What you've described though isn't the reality of raising grass fed beef, lambs or dairy and you're very unfairly grouping them all together.

It’s all part of the same system. Animals wouldn’t choose to be part of it.

@SingYouBackToSleep based on what evidence?

based on what evidence?

What. That they wouldn’t choose to be part of it? Are you for real?

But they all stand in the same kill line. Being grass fed doesn't change their death. So while I cannot contribute much to this discussion about soil and reversing climate damage and there are many who are much more articulate than I could ever be. I just want to dispel the myth that there is humanity in their deaths. Cameras, stricter regulations,NVQs, better facilities and training cannot change the brutality that will always exist while we kill these beautiful animals in their millions.

What about the mice sliced through when harvesting grains for vegan diets, the worm chopped up by the potato harvester or the insects you trod on while walking to work this morning? None of them matter? Where would it end? Maybe some day scientists will tell us carrots feel pain when we pull them from the ground. Perhaps instead, we should eat local, sustainably and responsibly and support the highest welfare standards in the world - which can improve further, I agree. As I've said over and over, going vegan does not save the planet. Eating locally and sustainably will, but in the UK that involves eating meat.

Would be able to do plant based if only there was a good cheese alternative. Eat mostly veggie meals in the week, do have beef mince and bacon still wvery 2/3 weeks but I could cut them if I needed. However cheese is my only let down.

[quote daisymoo2]@Newgirls I don’t understand what you mean. Are you referring to beef farmers, sheep farmers, dairy farmers? They are very different from the more industrial pig and poultry sectors and I’m sure a pig farmer wouldn’t really appreciate a dairy farmer trying to tell him how to do his job. Is that what you really think should happen?[/quote]
Yes I do. The various farmers unions should fight for best practice across all animal farming. You can’t make sweeping claims like ‘British farming is part of the solution’ and then conveniently ignore the bad practice that goes on.

@daisymoo2

What about the mice sliced through when harvesting grains for vegan diets, the worm chopped up by the potato harvester or the insects you trod on while walking to work this morning? None of them matter? Where would it end? Maybe some day scientists will tell us carrots feel pain when we pull them from the ground. Perhaps instead, we should eat local, sustainably and responsibly and support the highest welfare standards in the world - which can improve further, I agree. As I've said over and over, going vegan does not save the planet. Eating locally and sustainably will, but in the UK that involves eating meat.

You do talk rubbish - if you only have carrots feel pain too then you really need to open your mind to what people are trying to tell you

@Newgirls

That's my point. It would be an improvement. You are never going to carry the MAJORITY of people in the UK into the extreme position of veganism.

Inspiring them with the 100 mile diet rather than berating them may be a more fruitful proposition.

@stargirl1701 hear hear!

I think the 100 mile diet is far more extreme than veganism. There's not a vast amount that grows within 100 miles of Luton in March. Even Eat the Seasons admits defeat on virtually all fruit that isn't imported www.eattheseasons.co.uk/march.php