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I'm a Muslim, ask me anything

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UnderBlue · 30/06/2018 21:26

So I thought I'd join the bandwagon too! I'm a Muslim, and ask me anything. :)

(Please note: I'm very happy to answer questions about my beliefs and my experiences, but not interested in debating issues or bashing please. Please start your own thread if you want to do that. Thanks)

Also, please bear with me if I take a while to reply. I have pelvic pain today and a trip planned to the beach tomorrow, so apologies in advance if I take a while to reply. I will try my best :)

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Alanamackree · 02/07/2018 14:25

Also, what happened to you as a child with dogs was utterly appalling. Flowers

goldentriangle · 02/07/2018 20:03

You say you don't have to pray 5 times a day during your period "so you can have a rest," are you sure it's not because having a period is seen as making you unclean for God?

Rory786 · 02/07/2018 20:52

OP, just wanted to say thank you for starting this thread, you have been very gracious.

UnderBlue · 02/07/2018 21:24

@rightknockered

I'm really genuinely saddened and sorry to hear about the absolutely appalling way your ex-treated to you. I don't know if I can change your mind about Muslims (?), as you have been through what sounds like a horrific experience with him. The only thing I can suggest is would it help if you met me? If so, feel free to DM me and I'd be very happy to meet you and discuss issues you have with Muslims/Islam face to face.

On another note, I don't believe I am homophobic. I genuinely love my homosexual friends and colleagues, and that love is reciprocated. But if you felt from my post that I am, then all I can do is apologize and say sorry.

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UnderBlue · 02/07/2018 21:36

@73kittycat73 Thanks a lot for sharing your experience, that has helped develop my understanding.

@NewName54321

Hi OP, Assuming, you are in the UK, what do you do at Christmas-time?

I absolutely love Christmas time, aah the festive spirit is in the air! :) A few weeks before I send Christmas cards to my friends, colleagues and ex-colleagues (and a few receive gifts too). A few days before Christmas, DH and the kids give Christmas cards and a chocolate box to the neighbors on our street (as its his task it ends up being pretty last minute!). On Christmas day, as everyone is off work, we get together as a family at my parents home and have family time together. We don't celebrate Christmas perhaps like everyone else does, but we do make the most out of it, and ensure those close to us that are celebrating have received something from us.

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73kittycat73 · 02/07/2018 21:37

Hi UnderBlue. I would be careful offering to meet up with someone from online - this is not a dig at you at all rightknockered - I appreciate that it's coming from a good place but do be careful please? It sounds like rightknockered has a few issues she needs to address and I don't think debating faith will help at this time. Obviously you are both adults and can make up your own minds, but please do be carefull.
For what it's worth, as a lesbian, I don't find you homophobic at all. You are not condemning sexuality, or saying it's wrong. I find your attitude quite enlightening. Smile

UnderBlue · 02/07/2018 21:39

@Mightymelon

^I’m a teacher in a school with a large number of Muslim students.
Some of the girls I teach have asked me to undertake Ramadan for all or part of the month next year. As I am not Muslim do you think this is problematic or offensive- I would love to support them, and we had party snacks on the Monday after eid to celebrate!^

I hope your pelvic pain is better and you had a lovely day at the beach x

Thank you, beach was great! :)

These students are pulling your leg and being really cheeky!! All or part of the month, say NO! Grin It is definitely not problematic at all, in fact it is a lovely gesture, but say you will do it for one day, not part or all the month :) (unless you want to, but still, don't let them pressure you!)

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MyDarlingWhatIfYouFly · 02/07/2018 21:41

You said upthread that some female Muslims that you know cover their face to please god. This is a different view to an East African Muslim friend I have who says they are encouraged to do so for their own protection (I.e not to tempt men).

I guess different people see it differently, but why do you think your god would want women to be fully covered, but not men that follow the same faith?

UnderBlue · 02/07/2018 21:42

@73kittycat73

Thank you so much, not just for your concern, but for saying you don't find me homophobic. I was worried a bit this morning that my views may really be offending some people (as I really don't want that).

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UnderBlue · 02/07/2018 21:43

@BartholinsSister

Do you believe in flying horses?

Of course Grin

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73kittycat73 · 02/07/2018 21:49

You are not coming over bad at all UnderBlue. Smile I think you are really winning people over on this thread. Your concern, empathy and just nice general attitude is really showing. I know I for one really appreciate this thread. You are giving well thought out replies and are doing yourself and your religion proud.
I'll shut up now and let you get on with your thread! Grin Thanks again, I'm finding this all fascinating. Flowers

UnderBlue · 02/07/2018 21:55

@greenlynx

Hi! :)

How are you coping in this heat wearing your clothes?

Absolutely fine. In my house, I can wear whatever I want. In this heat, I tend to wear a short sleeve top and loose comfy haram style pants. When I go out, I wear a black long ankle length very loose dress (like a kaftan), and it blows lots air in from the bottom, and although it doesn't look, like a kaftan, it is actually really cooling. I wear a headscarf too, but it is a very thin cotton, lightweight and very comfortable.

Also you mentioned going to a beach. Would you be allowed to sunbathe in a swimming costume?
If it was a female/children only environment then yes. If not, I'd use a Burkini.

Are you allowed to have pets? And why dogs are considered as unclean animals?
Yes to most pets. Dogs are not considered unclean, its just that if their saliva or sweat touches a person, then have to re-do the ablution. So you can touch them and keep them, you just have to re-do ablution, which because we need to do almost 5 days a week, can become a bit difficult to have a dog. Having said that, one of my friends has 3 dogs and manages (she has a large house and I think a special room for them too).

Just to add, It’s really awful what you experienced as a child with dogs. Hope things like these will never happen again. I hope so too. It is bizarre how we just accepted it.

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missdivine89 · 02/07/2018 22:13

@UnderBlue
I've always been a staunch atheist, but this thread has broadened my understanding of your faith immeasurably and certainly given me food for thought. Thank you for doing this, you have my utmost respect. You are a lovely lady Thanks

UnderBlue · 02/07/2018 22:20

@73kittycat73 Thank you!! :)

@chickedychicked

^I have a question, I want to say I hope it's not offensive to you firstly.
I've read the quran in English with my exDH many times and it states that there is no book but the quran (that you need to follow) and everything a Muslim needs to do/know is in the Quran, so why do a lot of Muslims follow hadiths(books written many hundreds of years after the quran was sent down)?^

That is a very good question, and definitely not offensive!

Hadiths are collections of what the Prophet Muhammad said. These were recorded down in his life and after it. The hadith books were compiled together around 200 years after his death, but they were extremely strict rules about which sayings of his were included, as obviously time had passed (and people do make things up or mishear), and despite being written down, someone could have added or edited the sayings. However, the rules were very very stringent about what would be included in the major hadith books. For each of the sayings in that book, all the narrators had to be recorded and each narrator's profile was checked to see if they were honest people. So each saying goes something like this: I heard from X who heard from X who heard from X who was sitting next to the Prophet in the mosque and heard Prophet Muhammad say: "The best among you is the best towards his wife ... (just an example)." The compiler did a multtiude of things to ensure its authenticity, including checking the profiles of each of these people in this chain. If there was ever doubt, he would not include this saying in his book. For example:

Imam Bukhari (the famous hadith compiler) traveled to meet a man in order to take hadith from him. But he saw this man calling his horse with an empty vessel in his hand, as if there was food in that vessel, moving it in order for the horse to come near so he can grab the horse. So Imam Bukahri asked him, “What is in that vessel?” And the man said, “Nothing.” Then Imam Bukhari said, “By Allaah, I will not take hadith from you, because you are a liar.”

Similarly, each hadith had to be narrated by multiple all authentic people. So if he found one person saying this is what the Prophet said, and despite having sound people in that chain, because it is just by one person, he would not include it in the hadith book. It would have to be a hadith that he heard directly from many people with all souund narrations, and it was a well known hadith too. And they had to fulfill ALL of the above criteria (and others too, I can't remember at the top of my head) to be included in the hadith book, and there were very very stringent rules, and the chains (and the hadith content itself) are constantly academically critiqued (and the critique is always welcomed), even now, almost 12,000 years later.

Coming back to your original question as to why Muslims follow the hadiths (the prophet's sayings) as well as the Qur'an is because a) the prophet's sayings explain the Qur'an (and never contradict them), b) there are some things that are explained in the Prophet's sayings and not in the Qur'an, like how exactly to pray salah (the 5 daily prayers). So you can't understand the Qur'an without hadith, and c) God commanded Muslims in the Qur'an to follow the Prophet:
"Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah , then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." (Surah 3:31)

Sorry I went on a bit Blush, I hope that helps. Let me know if you have more questions :)

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UnderBlue · 02/07/2018 22:29

@roominthesky

Would I be welcome if I went into my local mosque or should I wait for one of the open days?

You are always welcome, although best not to go at busy periods (Fridays) as everyone is all over the place and there probably wont even be enough space to get in. Perhaps give them a call and ask when is a good time to come round? Most of the people who'd take you around have full time jobs and are volunteers, so logistically it may take a while to find the right time, but you will always be welcome :) The bigger mosques (may be advertised as central mosque if you are in a City) tend to have more volunteers, so they may have more time. But do go if you can, and do keep trying till you get through to someone (I don't think my local mosque's phone is manned - the management of a lot of mosques are people in their 60s, and are not experts at managing, but to be fair, most have spent their life as manual labourers so it isn't fair to expect otherwise). Or if you want DM me your city/town, and if its a familiar place, I may be able to make a recommendation.

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UnderBlue · 02/07/2018 22:41

@NoNotheresnolyrics

What are your thoughts on halal slaughter practises? It seems quite cruel to me.

First of all, according to the Guardian (and I can't verify how true this is), 88% of animals killed by halal methods in Britain are stunned before slaughter, so killed in the same way as other animals.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/may/08/what-does-halal-method-animal-slaughter-involve

Halal slaughter is (taken from above):

The Arabic word halal means permissible, and the rules of slaughter are based on Islamic law. The animal has to be alive and healthy, a Muslim has to perform the slaughter in the appropriate ritual manner, and the animal's throat must be cut by a sharp knife severing the carotid artery, jugular vein and windpipe in a single swipe. Blood must be drained out of the carcass.

I believe that halal slaughter is one of the most humane ways (note I didn't say THE most humane way) to kill an animal (and I assume you probably disagree with that, and I know people do, and that is fine). Stunning methods are no where near perfect though, and many have been banned too as they are bad for animal welfare. To be honest, if we are talking about cruelness, is it not cruel to kill an animal even using stunning, but we still do it? Confused I think what troubles me more is the way these animals are treated before they are killed. Most of it is really troubling and just awful :( . Thankfully, we now have organic free-range halal chicken from local farms, and I really want to permanently switch to them, but they are very expensive (around £12 each last time I checked).

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weebarra · 02/07/2018 22:45

I've found this a really interesting thread, thank you. I'm currently on holiday in the Netherlands and it's so nice to see lots of Muslim families enjoying the theme park I'm staying near - lots of lovely hijabs!
I've seen very few young girls wearing hijabs, when do they generally start? Also, I've seen lots of groups of women in hijabs and abayas with woman who are modestly dressed but not covered. Would you judge, would it ever be discussed?

goldentriangle · 02/07/2018 22:49

Hi op , I'm not trying to be goady I would like a genuine answer to my question. Not fasting during Ramadan if you have a period als, is it to do with being unclean or an empathetic need to care for women?

UnderBlue · 02/07/2018 22:49

@Dumela Thanks!! It was either very stupid or very brave to start this thread Blush Smile

@Alanamackree

Hi :)

I have also studied other faiths too such as Christianity, and some of the things I couldn't get my head around

Thanks for asking :) The fundamentals really, mainly trinity and the contradictions between the Old and New Testaments.

I'll answer your other question tomorrow hopefully, need to desperately go to bed.

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UnderBlue · 02/07/2018 23:00

This has come up twice so let me quickly answer it before I shoot off.

@goldentriangle

You say you don't have to pray 5 times a day during your period "so you can have a rest," are you sure it's not because having a period is seen as making you unclean for God?

Hi op , I'm not trying to be goady I would like a genuine answer to my question. Not fasting during Ramadan if you have a period als, is it to do with being unclean or an empathetic need to care for women?

Good questions! :)

I'm 100% certain it does not make us 'unclean', we can still pray to God in all the other ways. Furthermore, if we have bleeding outside our period, we still have to fast and pray, so it has got nothing to do with the blood itself. We are in a special state when on period and post-partum, and it is to allow us to rest and recuperate. Similarly with post-partum bleeding, you are not allowed to fast or pray for 40 days, but after that, you have to pray and fast even if you are bleeding (and I think many women still are bleeding? I had injections post birth which meant I bled very little). For me personally, as I get very bad period pains, it is a huge blessing to have the time off from morning prayers especially, and have more time to rest and take pain killers during the day in Ramadhan! I hope that answers your questions? (I may be wrong but I think some other religions believe it is unclean? Judaism perhaps?)

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goldentriangle · 02/07/2018 23:03

Thanks so much for your answer, that's really helpful and all new information to me . Great thread, thank you.

MarklahMarklah · 02/07/2018 23:04

Sorry, back again - the tutor we had at our evening class said that he struggled to understand the trinity too, although one of his closest friends is an Anglican bishop and has tried to explain it. They agree that they disagree, but both worship God.

I wonder if the Old Testament/New Testament are a little like the Qu'ran/Hadeeth? One is more hearsay than the other, IYSWIM - in the case of the bible, I'd say NT is more 'word of God' than OT, possibly, although there are likely some Christians on this thread who can clarify.

One interesting point we discussed as a group was the doing of good deeds. Those who were religious said that their holy books told them that they should do good deeds as this would basically expediate their passage to heaven/sit well with God. I said that I felt that this could in some way then be perceived as mere actions rather than heartfelt deeds, and as much for their own benefit as for others. As a non-believer, I try to treat people with respect and kindness, and to help those less fortunate than myself/help someone in need. I do this not for any reward in the afterlife but because, morally, it is the right thing to do.

NotAnotherNoughtiesTune · 02/07/2018 23:22

Excellent thread @UnderBlue .

Fascinating reading especially fasting and dogs (my husband is blind so has a guide dog and many Muslim taxi drivers / restaurant owners etc can be quite jumpy but great to further understand.

What are your families plans for Eid this year? Any specific foods you eat or prays you must say?

mishfish · 02/07/2018 23:49

Having said that, some of us Muslims are obsessed with food (Sorry I should say south-asian Muslims). It is our culture - we are constantly feeding everyone.

I’m obsessed with food too. Can i come for dinner? Grin

Do you find that being a Muslim woman has had a negative impact on your career at all? Or do people seem shocked when you mention work?

sandcastle010 · 03/07/2018 00:09

I’m a Christian and I very much appreciate the insight you’ve offered here into your faith and your personal experience in the U.K. as a Muslim.
So I have both a comment and a question..
Comment: as a Christian, I understand the difference of my faith as centralised around Christ Jesus as the son of God, sent by the Father to die so that we all might be forgiven, and be accepted back into the family of God. To me, broadly, the Trinity means family. Quick response to quite a complicated topic!!

My question: am I right that the Qu’ran teaches that everyone is born a Muslim, therefore you don’t convert to the faith, you revert out of it?