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Retired lap dancer- ask me anything

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yourprivatedancerEX · 26/06/2018 05:30

It’s not something I tell new people I meet that for 10 years I used to be a very successful lap dancer. I have a very different career now but often reminisce about my secret lap dancing past, always with fond memories!
I think it’s still something that is frowned upon by many and in my view I think that’s largely down to being misunderstood. So if any of you have any questions I will answer them and hopefully give you some interesting insight into the secret world of lap dancing! Ask away.

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yourprivatedancerEX · 27/06/2018 08:30

Archbishop

I have an in law that works at primark. Perhaps I shall tell her to start a thread so everyone can tell her how she is the cause of child labour and that she should be ashamed of her career choices.

Grin
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yourprivatedancerEX · 27/06/2018 08:34

Gosh my posts are long this morning. Clearly procrastinating instead of getting ready for work.

Better get going. Have a lovely day everyone.

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IllHaveALargeGlassOfRed · 27/06/2018 08:36

Did you cover up your pole bruises or was there no point, I.e. as soon as you got back in the pole, any concealing make up would soon be rubbed off again!

I think seeing a dancer covered in bruises might give the impression that she's being mistreated.

yourprivatedancerEX · 27/06/2018 08:38

The tan covered it well large glass!

Plus every dancers secret (at least back in the day) was... Rimmel shimmer.

Covered everything!

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Babycham1979 · 27/06/2018 08:41

Privatedancerex, well, judging by a few of the posters on here, you probably should be admonishing her for cpfacilitsting and enabling the objectification and enslavement of women and children across Bangladesh. Mind you, if you’ve ever bought anything from Primark, I guess that makes you almost as guilty as the punter.

It always amazes how ‘whataboutery’ is used as a criticism by those people who deploy the a tactic the most. The only difference seems to be, again, whether it contradicts their dogma or supports it.

yourprivatedancerEX · 27/06/2018 08:43

Babysham I know, I shall be sure to lecture her next time I see her Grin

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Archbishopof · 27/06/2018 08:43

I remember going on a rare night out with a couple of non dancing friends. It was for someone’s birthday I think. And I still remember to this day walking down the stairs in a club and a guy walking up the stairs past me, grabbed my arm and pulled me towards him really forcefully and said to me (sorry if this is offensive everyone but it really did happen) he said “you better watch my fingers don’t slip into your psy wearing that skirt”

I was HORRIFIED. My friends just rolled their eyes as though it was a regular thing. I went to the doorman and told him expecting him to go find the bloke and throw him out and all he said was ‘just stay away from him then’

This incident sticks so clearly in my mind because in the dancing club NOWAY would that have been acceptable. He would have been banned from the club in an instant.

This is a remarkable piece of underthinking, OP. First of all, this incident was obviously an appallingly common symptom of male sexual self-entitlement, as well as a digital rape threat, and equally obviously, in no way your fault.

However, the industry that you take such a rosy, 'I'm all right, Jack, because I got paid a lot, got fit, and the other girls were like sisters' and frankly irresponsible attitude to contributes to this culture of male sexual entitlement, because it normalises the male purchase of female consent.

The incident you describe illustrates that perfectly -- your friends weren't surprised, and the club hadn't the slightest interest, because that kind of sexual threat against women is awfully common, and what you don't seem to understand is that this man would have been thrown out of your pole dancing club because at the club you were a valuable commodity, hence protected, not because your club attracted a nicer kind of man who paid to be titillated, or because you were more valued as a woman there. It was because money was involved. Bouncers protect the goods at the club.

Other women, who are not valuable pole-dancing commodities and who walk around in the non-club world, then deal with the fallout from your industry. The fact that you personally found pole-dancing empowering and financially rewarding does not change that.

RatRolyPoly · 27/06/2018 08:45

I still have a tube of dark Rimmel Shimmer and a foam mit for old time's sake Grin

Archbishopof · 27/06/2018 08:47

Perhaps I shall tell her to start a thread so everyone can tell her how she is the cause of child labour and that she should be ashamed of her career choices.

Do that. Does she habitually show up on parenting forums to invite people to ask her questions about how rewarding her experience of working in Primark is? Does she often share stories about how working at Primark is so financially rewarding and empowering that dentists and teachers regularly work there at weekends on top of their other jobs? Hmm

petrolpump28 · 27/06/2018 08:49

people who dont feel this is a great industry to be in are not "blaming" the OP or anybody else who does this for a living.

Empowering is very much in at the moment isnt it?

I'm so empowered by prompting a biological reaction in a load of blokes by getting my kit off.

yourprivatedancerEX · 27/06/2018 08:55

Archbishop

Free speech means everyone has the right to speak openly about their views and experiences.

If my in law did want to share how empowering her job at primark is and how much she loves it. That’s her right. You don’t have to agree with her. Hell you don’t even have to listen to her. But you can’t demand she stays silent and tell her she shouldn’t speak openly about her own life just because you disagree with what she is saying.

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yourprivatedancerEX · 27/06/2018 08:57

Anyway sorry to run but I really am off to work now.

I wouldn’t want to get sacked and be forced to go back into the hideous world of lap dancing Smile

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yourprivatedancerEX · 27/06/2018 08:59

And last post, petrol pump if you read one of my last posts this morning you would see that that is not the part that empowered me.

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Archbishopof · 27/06/2018 09:01

No one is suggesting your relative should stay quiet about her experience of the sisterhood, financial rewards and empowerment of working at Primark.

But (a) I would be very surprised if she bobbed up on here inviting people to ask her about it and praising her workplace to the skies and (b) what she individually feels about working at Primark makes very little difference to the problem of the demand for cheap clothes fuelling sweated labour.

Pumperthepumper · 27/06/2018 09:06

yourprivatedancer thanks for starting this thread, it’s been a really interesting read, genuinely.

However, it’s a bit frustrating that you’ve only acknowledged the ‘great friends/money/fitness’ side and not any of Archbishop’s post above regarding your incident in the club, which I feel was excellently made.

I’d also like to ask everyone on this thread generally about this idea of ‘empowerment’ - I honestly can’t think of another profession, other stripping, where people as so determined to convince others of this empowerment. So what is it about stripping that makes you powerful, in a way that you don’t get from any other job?

yourprivatedancerEX · 27/06/2018 09:16

what she individually feels about working at Primark makes very little difference to the problem of the demand for cheap clothes fuelling sweated labour.
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So why then does what I individually feel about working as a lap dancer create such a huge issue of trafficking and sex crimes. It’s one huge contradiction.

I’m entitled to my opinion. And my opinion is based entirely on my own life experiences. Just as yours are. We can disagree. But you can’t tell me I am wrong for talking about an aspect of my life and tell me not to speak of it just because you don’t like it.

If you disagree with the industry, that’s great-it’s good to have different viewpoints. You can refuse to go into a lapdancing club. You can teach your sons and daughters about the evil of them. But you can’t tell me that my positive experience is wrong and that my life choices have contributed to all sorts of evil in the world!

The reason I posted an AMA thread is because it’s a little-known about industry, as many posters on here have proved and I thought some people might be curious to know about it. Which was correct, as I’ve received lots of curious and polite questions.

I have been a vegetarian for 30 years and I’m strongly passionate about animal welfare. But if you want to start a thread saying how much you love bacon, then go for it, I’m not going to hijack it and accuse you of being the cause of animal suffering everywhere. Both our life experiences and opinions are equally valid. No one should be shooting someone else down just for having different perspectives.

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yourprivatedancerEX · 27/06/2018 09:18

Pumper I fee I have answered that this morning- read some of my earlier posts.

I’m not skipping over anything, just trying to answer the quick questions as I’m on route to work. May get more time later to respond in more detail but if the other girls are in thread today I’m sure they will be happy to contribute.

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Pumperthepumper · 27/06/2018 09:18

Sorry, I’ve just reread that and I’m worried it sounds a bit snide and that wasn’t my intention, so I’ll give my opinion first just so you know where I’m at.

I think the reason people want to see stripping as empowering is because it’s women taking money from men, it’s women ‘using’ men for money, if you like. So some people will see it like this.

Others (me) don’t see it as empowering because the man still always has the control. Plus it’s seeing women as something that can be bought and sold - it’s not seeing a woman as a human in her own right, only as something they can control, something that they can pay to do what they want. Plus it comes with a long history of exploitation/drug-and-alcohol dependency/sexual abuse - it’s not an industry known for its well adjusted, healthy employees and it seems a bit disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

I hope that makes sense, it’s very badly put but I’d be interested in a discussion about it.

Pumperthepumper · 27/06/2018 09:21

Private cross posted. I can’t see where you’ve responded to Archibishop’s post about the club and generally the treatment of women in society versus treatment of ‘useful commodities’ - it’s specifically that I’d like to talk about, rather than the trafficking/primark job.

StripStripHooray · 27/06/2018 09:35

I get what people are saying. Personally, it can be empowering, but societally, it's not. One woman dancing, paying her own bills, not having to rely on others is empowered by having the money and freedom to do as she pleases. In the wider scheme of society, it's men getting what they want from the patriarchy.

I was going to post a similar experience to ex most nights, when friends and I went out on a rare night out, we'd end up in the club, because it's safe and we knew we'd be looked after. And what a shame, the club and the rules/bouncers have a symbiotic relationship, and one wouldn't exist without the other. It is not my fault that men are creeps, they would be creeps with or without strip clubs. I'll have to come back later to answer a bit better but I have mixed feelings about it.

yourprivatedancerEX · 27/06/2018 09:56

Ok I’ll try to respond to that aspect now but I was a long post and I’m going to need to be quick and brief here so let’s look at this section first:

However, the industry that you take such a rosy, 'I'm all right, Jack, because I got paid a lot, got fit, and the other girls were like sisters' and frankly irresponsible attitude to contributes to this culture of male sexual entitlement, because it normalises the male purchase of female consent.

It normalises the male purchase of female consent. I agree it takes advantage of the male purchase of female consent. But I don’t think Lao dancing is the source of normalising it. It is a symptom.

A small percentage of society frequently visit lap dancing clubs. It in no way forms most of the male population. However in every day life the following is normalised and we have all, men and women become desentitised to it:

  • men able to buy naked women in pint and glamour magazines
  • women’s bodies and sexuality used in advertising for all kinds of every day products
  • music videos normalising the selling of sexuality to teenage girls and boys who are at a point where they are very susceptible to influence.
  • the language used to describe women in everyday media. Constantly referring to their appearance and body types and valuing women based on their looks.
  • the way celebs in the media (female) are valued on their bodies and their appearance.

These are all deeply, deeply ingrained in everyday life. So much so that it has become so normalised we probably don’t actually notice it as much as we should. In my opinion - and again I repeat on my thread I am only ever taking about my own opinion and experiences, I think that this is the cause. The fact that lap dancing clubs exist and are lucrative is a symptom of this and the women who work in them are taking advantage of this.

Now I am one lap dancer (ex) I am in no way here to answer for every single woman out there. And I am not here answer for the industry and justify very aspect of it. I’ve never owned a club or managed a club. I simply worked in them for 10 years of my life and as much as it is riling people that I say this, I genuinely enjoyed it and for me it was a positive experience.

I’m not really sure why people are expecting me to have the answers for the whole industry. I have repeated several times throughout the thread that I am describing my own individual experience. I’m not suggesting that all women should go be a dancer. And I’m not even suggesting that all women should agree with the industry. But I am frustrated that despite working in the industry for 10 solid years, I am not allowed to talk about my experience because it was positive. For me.

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cheshiremama89 · 27/06/2018 10:04

Did you pay a house fee? If so how much?

Did you have a House Mum? Xx

yourprivatedancerEX · 27/06/2018 10:07

Most clubs had a house mum, some didn’t. And the house fee varied from club to club and also depended on the night of the week.

So anything from 0 house fee some nights through to £90 on others in some clubs. Average I came across was £50-60

Some clubs charged percentage of earnings on top of or instead of house fee. So all very different.

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AlexanderHamilton · 27/06/2018 10:16

I'm very torn about this. I don't think its something I would like my own dd to do. I also hate the idea of male strippers. I would never, ever go to see such an act perform.

But one of dd's friends has just gone to work at the Moulin Rouge. Thats something I'd love to experience. The dancers there are highly trained (dd isn't tall enough so it will never be an option for her).

What is it that makes the concept of the Moulin Rouge or Lido seem classy, even Burlesque is acceptible but club ap dancers are seen as seedy. Is it the training, or the environment?

yourprivatedancerEX · 27/06/2018 10:19

Alexander you raise a good point.

Both are performers. Both have to practise and put on a show. And both remove clothing.

I think the only difference is that one is to an audience of many, and the other is small groups or one to one.

Not sure why it’s acceptable if you’re doing it in front of hundreds at once but terrible to do it to a few or one at once!

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