A Man in a dress- how would you feel?

Translation: Women have no individual agency & are programmable robots.

If you knew anything about feminist history you would know that the feminist pushback would have never existed without individual agency. According to you "entrenched male power & norms" prevents that.

Who needs the patriarchy when GC feminists will do their dirty work for them.

Comparing men wearing 'womans' clothing to women wearing 'mens' is disingenuous. These acts are not symmetrical. Women have far fewer fetishes then men, are far less dangerous then men, are far less sexually driven then men.

Even a number of well known transwomen are open about the fact that their 'transness' started as a fetish. Eg Hayden who even went as far as full blown genital surgery to fulfill the fetish.

We know AGP is a thing, and just like our comments about not letting men into female toilets because we can't tell which ones are the 'nice' ones. We often can't tell the difference between the ones who are getting off on dressing 'feminine' Vs the ones who are innocently pushing social boundaries for positive reasons.

Saying this, I don't have an issue with men wearing whatever they want as long as it's situation appropriate exactly as I would feel if a women did the same. With men however there is the added consideration that it could be someone displaying sexually paraphilic behaviour.

There is a reason that women have an instinctual caution of such men. Fetishes and paraphilias tend to cluster. If they have one there are more likely to be others. Exhibitionism, vouyersim (like pretending to be a woman to enter a woman's changing room to watch women undress) and yes paedophilia are highly correlated among others.

This isn't me saying that transwomen are perverts, it's me saying that some of them will be and prison stats would suggest they are indeed more likely to be pervert then other men because of the clustering nature of paraphilias and the fact that they are happy to undermine the comfort of women only supports this.

Womens caution is not women's fault. Just like it isn't our fault if we are afraid to find ourselves alone on a dark street with a man. These fears are caused by human instincts, socialisation and collective experience.

We shouldn't be expected to 'get over it' when we bare the brunt of the consequences if we are wrong. Our fear isn't bigoted.

Men are very welcome to prove us wrong by not acting like predators...

Like mushrooms after rain, any post that acknowledges the complex relationship women have with the framework of expectations we are delievered into without a choice the day we are born triggers the wail "oh but women have agency! They just choose clothes that align with objectification, marginalisation and at the far end, sex work, domestic enslavement, FGM, to express their own innate authentic selves!"

Misogynist faux-feminism of the basest, naivest, stupidest kind.

We know AGP is a thing

Indeed, for men AND women.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19591032/

Moser came to his study with the opinion that Blanchard was wrong. Moser then created his own scale (taking bits from Blanchard) to ‘measure’ AGP in women and ‘proved’ it existed. Moser’s work has been widely criticised. I assume you have an academic login and can look at the critiques of Moser (and later Serrano) and aren’t just relying on abstracts.

Whatever criticism people have of Moser's or Blanchard's work it points to something that is self evident tho….for women. You don't need Moser only to be a woman to know we 'enjoy' our own bodies. Of course some women don't but to allege that all women don't says more about the individual making this claim than anything else…& its called sexual repression.

That study is rather impenetrable without signing up to various things, I struggled to find the actual questions that were asked of participants but the whole concept of the study is bizarre.

Is it surprising that someone thinking about sexual attributes that they in fact possess (eg their own genitals) could be arousing? Of course not.

The paraphilia is doing the same but crucially about body parts or attributes you DO NOT possess. Like being aroused by the idea of having missing limbs when you are able bodied.

It's kind of a moot point to the discussion anyway. Is women being sexually attractive to some idea of their physical selves somehow harmful or maladaptive? Are they seeking surgery to fix something? Are they saying children should be taking drugs to feel the same way? Are they demanding access to a space that they shouldn't be in because they feel sexually attracted to themselves??

The paraphilia is doing the same but crucially about body parts or attributes you DO NOT possess.

Um, women get boobs & bums 'they did not originally possess' & it increases their libido.

Many studies show that procedures like breast augmentation, abdominoplasty and labiaplasty frequently correlate with higher sexual satisfaction, greater arousal, and improved intimacy.

What point are you making? It's not strange to be attracted to your own body, even if it's been changed. It isn't a 'bad' thing to be attractive to yourself while fantasising about yourself as something other then reality.

The harm comes when it becomes such an obsession that you remove your own healthy body parts and/or believe that those changes or feelings entitled you be treated as something you aren't. The harm comes in telling children that it's the answer to their problems. The harm comes in the fantasy somehow overriding other people's reality.

I'll also note that most of the operations you mention are considered 'cosmetic' and aren't provided by the NHS. I wouldn't do any of those unless it was repairing or restoring something personally.

You also didn't address my later points. Even if AGP in woman is a thing. How does that effect anyone but those individuals?

In our sexist society, wearing gendered clothing is charged with power dynamics. We can try and pretend that its a neutral act, but its not.

Its possible to subvert or try to question this dynamic of course, but it seems so often to involve a sexual element when men do it that I am a bit wary about men who ostentatiously wear women coded clothing. Caution born of experience.