A Man in a dress- how would you feel?

I don't know. I can only assume his "statistics" are drawn from people he knows. But I personally don't think it's a wayward notion. A lot of men's actions and motivations are sexually driven. Including wearing women's clothes which is hardly a new or shocking revelation.

Anecdotal instances don't qualify as data that you can draw any meaningful conclusions on. The idea that a lot of women's actions & motivations aren't sexually driven smells like internalised misogyny.

Couldn't agree more.

Thirty years ago I had a very close friend whose husband usually wore a dress or a skirt or occasionally wore tight-fitting leggings. He was very irritable and aggressive, and often snapped at my friend in public about some trivial matter. So I didn’t like him, but his clothing didn’t bother me at all.

If anything, I liked men cross-dressing, because I innocently thought it was helping to break down sex stereotypes. I was amused that his ‘feminine’ side didn’t extend to feminine gentleness or kindness!

These days, after years of misogyny from the trans industry, I would feel very different. I would suspect all cross-dressing men of being potential voyeurs or exhibitionists who would trespass in women’s spaces.

Many men used to get abuse for being "men in skirts" when they were wearing the usual male attire for their culture, although the same critics were fine with Scottish men in kilts-as long as it was for a wedding. It's only relatively recently been accepted for women to wear trousers in some settings. This century, another woman advised me not to wear trousers for an interview!
Everyone should wear what they want. There are times when a mini skirt and high heels wouldn't be a sensible outfit, and it's never the most comfortable, but it's up to each person what they wear, not for me to judge unless it's a safety issue in my workplace.

I highly doubt it.

But that's saying more about you than anything else.

You're being highly disingenuous.

Oh well if you ASSUME the statistics back up your opinion and one other person’s experience case, case closed!

I had a former colleague who used to wear a skirt out dancing 25 years ago and no one batted an eyelid.

Funnily enough since the recent trans debate I think I’ve become more conservative about such things. Now it seems to be bound up with a type of exhibitionism and identity politics that I abhor.

In theory I would agree. But in the real world, some kinds of clothing are strongly associated with one sex or the other.

Because men’s interests are always prioritised above women’s, a whole industry has developed in supplying sexualised female clothing to appeal to men.There’s no real male equivalent, apart from a few male striptease groups.

So I would now presume the man was displaying his sex fetish. And I don’t like men feeling free to do that in public, because that opens the way to normalising other sexually transgressive behaviour, steadily increasing in severity.

And I’ve had enough of men feeling free to touch/ comment on/ rape/ threaten/ attack or otherwise abuse women.

Re paragraphs 2 and 3. This is exactly my experience.

Women like wearing dresses. Why shouldn't men?

The first women to wear trousers were mocked and shunned. I would like to think society has moved on in the intervening years but from this thread it seems not.

You’re right - it’s you that’s become more conservative and less open-minded. It’s not that a whole group of people have all become more exhibitionist!

Because men’s interests are always prioritised above women’s, a whole industry has developed in supplying sexualised female clothing to appeal to men.There’s no real male equivalent, apart from a few male striptease groups.

And just who's made those industries a success? Women. Are you suggesting women are slaves to men's whims? They don't know their own minds? They have no individual agency? You seem to be suggesting women don't enjoy or feel the need to express their own sexuality. That they only engage in sex at the pleasure of men.

What a bizarrely delusional sexist take….for a 'feminist' forum.

I admire men and women who are gender nonconforming.

I think it's generally pretty easy to tell who is doing it for a fetish and who is being genuine.

I think it's generally pretty easy to tell who is doing it for a fetish and who is being genuine.

Really? So how do you tell which men are genuine perverts?

I don't give a shit what anyone else wears tbh

I didn't say that at all, did I. I said I don't know and that I can only assume Greyson Perry's sources. Perhaps you'd care to look up the definition of assumption in the OED, as you seem rather confused by the concept. As for the rest, it is my personal opinion that a lot of men wear women's clothing for sexual arousal. If you are trying to tell me that I'm not entitled to my own opinion, then perhaps you should stop engaging in open threads.

Really?

KKK hood?
"Make me a sammich, bitch!" T shirt?
Official work lanyard in the colours of a movement that you believe validates human rights abuses?

No issues?

Its you claiming GP must have had evidence, so I don’t why you think it’s ME who should have checked that, rather than you.

You are welcome to your opinions but they are hateful. When you say people choosing to wear certain clothes must be fetishists / perverts / whatever it is you’re saying, I don’t know how you don’t hear the echos from the past of people accusing all gay men of being perverts etc. You are entitled to your opinions, but they are breathtakingly stupid and cruel 🤷‍♀️

No, I'm neither breathtakingly stupid or cruel. I'm a women that's had to live for 70 years under the patriarchy. And like most women worldwide I have suffered and been influenced accordingly. And please do not conflate two separate issues. Very few women historically (or today) would've thought of gay men as perverts. I think you'll find that straight women of my generation played pivotal and indispensable roles in the gay rights movement, from politics to grassroots activism and cultural advocacy. It is men, not women, who voiced the most vehement prejudice and indeed inflicted appalling violence upon the gay community.

I think perhaps gender critical people (note: ‘gender critical’ specifically means being critical of the imposition of gender stereotypes!) have become somewhat more skeptical thanks to the likes of Eddie Izzard. Back in the day we would tend to applaud his ‘they’re not women’s clothes, they’re my clothes’ claim. Excellent, good for him!
But then … oh dear. The disillusion as we find out about him being proud of chasing teenage girls out of the ladies loo which he decided he’d use to swap clothes rather than the gents, wondering if he can be a lesbian and so on.

That's a silly example , of course a KKK hood would be worn with the intention of intimidation , does your dress intimidate anyone? You wearing trousers offend anyone? A man in a kilt is a fetish?

If a man what's to wear a dress because they like wearing a dress isn't anymore offensive than a woman wearing trousers.
i personally don't care if someone is wearing a maga hat despite it being completely opposite to me politically , everyone should have the right to wear whatever they want to regardless of my sensitivities and politics despite me thinking inner thoughts