A Man in a dress- how would you feel?

Couldn’t care less, there’s a man local to me who wears female clothing sometimes, nobody bats an eyelid either, he’s just Mark, a bit eccentric. I wear jeans and shirts with boys boots, what’s the difference? A bloke wearing a dress doesn’t affect you!

I can only go by what I see. Which is that gender critical feminists on this site rarely comment on instances of clear and horrible misogyny by other gender critical feminists, but ALWAYS challenge anyone with non gender critical views, even when that person is arguing for something they also agree with.

You and @ErrolTheDragon dont think women need to accentuate their feminine assets or whatever that poster said to wear dresses; yet you haven’t challenged them, you only care about winning a fight with me. And that’s why it’s impossible for me to believe that doing right by women is your priority 🤷‍♀️

Bet they’d all have pockets.

I dont give a shit if a bloke wants to wear a dress.

I’m not a gender critical feminist. I am a feminist though, who genuinely cares about women (as opposed to using ‘gender critical feminism’ as a cover to excuse saying wildly bigoted things like ‘every man in a dress is a fetishist’, which people keep saying on this thread). Please do point to where I’ve been misogynist 🤷‍♀️

Marc Jacobs in Marc Jacobs; Kanye West in Givenchy; Samuel Jackson in a kilt; men's skirt by Thom Browne; Comme des Garcons Homme Plus AW26.

i'd think he was a wanker at the very least and not want anything to do with him

Men wearing dresses is not the same as women wearing trousers.

Women do not get aroused from wearing trousers.

Failing to acknowledge that there are systemic social pressures on women to present or see ourselves a certain way, and these manifest among other things in our clothing choices is misogynistic.

It's the old "we don't oppress women, they choose to be less respected, rely on a man and so at risk of being dumped for a younger model, they like being pretty" story, updated for the OnlyFans world.

If you don't understand that, basic Feminism 101, you ain't no Feminist bruv.

I don’t think you followed the thread of this conversation or whose making what point at all, unfortunately 😬

I can only go by what I see

Which you choose very carefully.

@BackToLurk Your view on the thread was ‘dress as you please’. We dont disagree.

AND YET you’re still coming for me as opposed to the posters denying women agency, or the posts saying men shouldn’t wear dresses because they don’t have small waists and their legs are too muscular (I asked if women without small waists or big legs were allowed to wear dresses according to that poster). Why on earth am I YOUR villain of this thread?

A female child undergoes approximately 15 to 18 years of continuous gender socialization before reaching an age where she might truly believe she can dress as she pleases without social consequences.
However, psychological and sociological research suggests that this "true belief" is rarely achieved completely, as fashion remains an active, lifelong system of social signaling and judgment.
@Canadanian you can’t deny what the majority of women experience all while calling yourself a feminist.
Like it or not but imprinting of social norms stats at birth, and this imprinting includes dress style to accentuate/project the fact that you are female vs male.

I don’t think YOU understand the argument you’ve been making so far. Maybe go back and read your own posts??

I am going to log off now. Between the muddle you’re making of this thread, and the absolute HORROR I’ve seen on a thread about a missing person, I think that’s enough for one day.

It isn’t ‘coming for you’ it’s an observation regarding your selective vision, which you use to vilify the posters on this board. In addition the majority of your posts seem to involve ‘playing the woman’ rather than the ball. Very few of your views are shared without also having a dig at another woman.

The women here have a range of views even (gasp) the ones that call themselves GC. Some are conservative, some aren’t. Some have very conventional ideas about what men and women should wear. Some don’t. You are so invested in perpetuating the narrative that everyone here is a right-wing conservative transphobe, and not proper feminists like your good self, that you can’t get your head round that and consequently grab hold of every comment that confirms your prejudice and wave it in the air shouting “look”.

In short. Every group has dickheads and if you think yours doesn’t it’s probably you.

Nope, following just fine.

You asked for examples of your misogyny.

Portraying the recognition that women (and men)'s clothing choices are not made in a vacuum as "denying women any agency" is an old misogynistic trick.

So there, that's the example you asked for.

I dont think you’ve understood which posts I think are denying women agency. It’s the ones that say a woman ‘hasn’t twigged’ etc etc.

I couldn't give a fuck what others are wearing.

Ok, if you aren't denying internalised social expectations shape women's clothing choices I take that back.

I don't agree with you that recognising women can be duped by men or socialised to see the best in men when those men are actually taking advantage of them is "denying women agency". I won't at this point assume you are coming from a misogynist view of women, but I do think you are very naive, and certainly wrong to say it isn't Feminist to recognise these social pressures and patterns exist and trap women.

In fact, as I said, recognising what we think we want for ourselves is often actually what society wants for us, and those norms have been shaped by men's interests not ours, is pretty much Feminism 101. And it's the work of a lifetime to unpick those social pressures. I doubt many of us ever truly escape.

As a Feminist I have infinite sympathy for women. That doesn't mean I think every choice a woman makes is a good one, for her or for society, just because a woman made it.

Great post, well said.

Men wear dresses all the time - especially LGB guys. And the idea of open, loose fabric being 'female' is a Western cliché.

Men wear dresses and skirts to challenge homophobic, misogynistic myths about clothing.

And trans women wear what they want.

I would wonder why because women's dresses are made for the shape of a woman. So why wear something that is not made for your shape?

Perhaps a boxy shift dress would work and plenty of Asian men wear these kind of outfits.