"We" can always tell

Yeah, it was awful and.I've seen no apology from her. The poor woman's family have been attacked as well.

Perfect example, sadly, of how transphobia affects all women. Why anyone's would transvestigate a murdered woman is just beyond me. Who does that?! Who believes that women are made safer by it?!

If anyone's first thought on seeing a report of a murdered woman is "but what if she was trans" then what you're actually telling the world is it's fine to kill trans women. That they don't count. That they (and their families) are fair game, have committed a terrible deception - and don't deserve respect.

if your sympathy for a murdered woman depends on her appearance of chromosomes, then you're a misogynist.

I’ve seen no apology from her

What is wrong with you?

I didn't say I was the first. Please try to be accurate.

If anyone's first thought on seeing a report of a murdered woman is "but what if she was trans" then what you're actually telling the world is it's fine to kill trans women. That they don't count. That they (and their families) are fair game, have committed a terrible deception - and don't deserve respect.

That is not what this was at all. Counting dead women highlights femicide. No-one's saying it's fine to kill any man, just that that account only highlights women, because when it was started, there was a distinct lack of care about women who were murdered.

No-one is fair game. No-one should have 'gone after' any family on twitter.

The difficulty again, is that when news is persistently mis-reported, it makes people suspicious and some people go too far. If Karen had a source which gave accurate information on victim's sex, this wouldn't be a problem, but because sex and gender-identity have been muddled together, both attempting to use the same words for different concepts, that can sometimes go wrong.

Doesn't make any of the abuse coming at Karen, or that went to the families of the victim acceptable.

Jesus - yes, that's the spirit of the message here - whether you were first or second to 'call out' <eye-roll>

Not that you're projecting reasons for others 'calling it out', or that you persistently 'call out' so much that it means very little. And not that you apparently have poor comprehension (probably performative mis-understanding) because the 'she' is obviously the OP of the thread in question.

So men set out to deceive woman and steal language so women can no longer trust what is reported, meaning every time a report mentions a woman the question has to be asked ‘was this actually a woman?’ But it is somehow those trying to determine the truth who are at fault, not those trying to fraudulently misrepresent it?

Another BS thread. 👎

What nonsense. Calm down.

"Why anyone's would transvestigate a murdered woman is just beyond me."

You know perfectly well why. Both men's crimes and men as victims are being misrepresented when, as happens quite often these days, a male criminal or victim is recorded as female. It's a distortion of the truth. Some of us still care about the truth.

You would like to see emotions trump reason, and feelings prioritized over the objective. Those of us who care about the truth are trying quite hard to stop society moving backwards to a time when people made decisions based on their feelings. Feelings are not a reliable guide.

Thats fucking disgusting. Anyone who had a part of that should be ashamed of themselves and banned from the site

From what I can actually tell, the only mistake was not double-checking it before making the announcement.

It could easily have been TRAs and their supporters misreporting to disrupt a feminist and proudly sex-realist account.

If it happens again, I think they'll double-check first before making an announcement.

No-one on this thread has any reason to trust anything you say.

No it wasnt. It was people who think their GC views mean they can do things like this and get away with it. All because a woman didn't have big enough boobs or something.

No what wasn't?

I don’t think they’re going to ban anyone from X for that.

Unless you mean MN and were taken in by the complete misrepresentation of what happened here.

The only mistake was not double checking. Therr were many mistakes.

I didn't read carefully but it looks like another thread proving that men are really women? The site is lucky to have so many contributions from such a large number of really cutting edge thinkers.

No I mean here. Of course Musk won't ban people for that type of thing. But therr is a lot we can say about Musk generally. Do staff here want the reputation of Elon Musk?

In your opinion.

They acted a bit too quickly, I suspect, because of multiple reports.

They will know better next time.

More unnecessary bureaucracy that now has to be done when reporting crimes against women, all because some mentally unwell men cannot deal with their own shit and have to dominate women to feel better about themselves.

Has anyone noticed a rise claims that women are frequently misgendered for not being feminine enough, and its always from trans rights organisations?

Yup and its always a "woman of colour" to add extra points.

There is no reason to harass anyone who has been murdered, even if you think they may have been trans.

Where was the harassment?

They made a mistake, corrected it, apologised, and the world moved on.

The harassment would be the messages, posts, comments to and about her family as well as the spreading of information here to ramp up the assault on the murdered woman and her loved ones.

And again, not by anyone here?