Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #68

I see we are at the stage where a person advocating for some spaces to be separated by "genitals" also thinks it's "obsessive" to advocate for that.

Same person who is going to read people's posts to decide whether or not to read them, is it?

This thread and the previous threads are about employee single sex changing rooms in an NHS hospital.

One example given why the guidance is correct is of the awful repercussions for a transman placed on a mens psych ward in an NHS hospital.

On a previous thread you posted (06/10/26) - The problem is that you are assuming your understanding of "women" etc is the "unambiguous" one. But not everyone shares your definitions and values. To me a sign saying women is "unambiguously" for women and trans women.

To be fair I will ask you two direct questions

1. Do you believe transwomen should be placed in women’s prisons, women’s psych wards? They have signs saying women’s.
2. Do you believe transmen should be placed in men’s prisons, men’s psych wards? They have signs saying men’s.

Start your own thread Laxy. You wade in with incoherent nonsense on too many threads that relate to women’s spaces then disappear.

Start a thread explaining your opinion. How you have the time to do this with school runs/work presentations/feeding the kids is beyond me. Let alone the posts in the middle of the night. It is beyond ridiculous.

Sorry I shouldn’t rise to the bait.

So you think separating by sex is regressive but you are not advocating for all things to be mixed sex so what are you proposing? Not mixed sex, not single sex so what is the alternative/ are the alternatives? Outline what this brave new world should look like.

I don't think there need to be universal rules about how we organise different spaces. I was fine with how things were before this very recent development where we seem to be becoming increasingly obsessed , particularly in England , with legally mandating the segregation of people by their genitals in all kinds of settings.

You said sex segregation was regressive. Therefore to be progressive we must end sex segregation, which would mean all spaces were mixed sex….. are you saying you didn’t mean that?

So you don’t want sex segregation? I’m confused now. In one hand you’re saying sex segregation is bad, but you still want to have sex segregation but you don’t really want it because people do want it. Are you ok.

It's fair to say it was a throw away comment too absolutely expressed. I'm not opposed to any sex segregation in any context. What I find regressive are the recent developments in the UK- particularly the EHRC guidance, and all the consequences that are rolling on from that.

And I was fine with how it was for centuries until about 15 years ago when men started thinking they had actually become women just because they were wearing a frock.
Yes, I am obsessed with legally separating male and female people because it's necessary to provide safety, dignity and privacy in a civilised world, especially for females.
Sorry Lacksie but I am absolutely delighted that things are rolling back.

Yes this is exactly what I find regressive.

im not opposed to all sex segregation in all contexts.

why is sex segregation now regressive in the UK? Do you mean because males are no longer allowed in female spaces? Surely that progressive for women?
I mean, Oxfam are campaigning for sex segregation of toilets in India and Pakistan. Are they being regressive? Or are they aware women need sex segregated spaces for privacy and dignity as well as safety?

Sex segregation of public toilets had become the norm by the time my grandmother was a young woman. It's odd to see it described as a "very recent development".

The Equality act doesn't allow for "sex segregation " in all contexts just when it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

Separate sex Prisons, hospital wards, changing rooms, rape therapy groups and toilets are all considered a proportionate means to achieve a legitimate aim.

I doubt oxfam are advocating for the kinds of policies we are currently introducing in the UK.

Yes, yes they are. Single sex spaces for women where no males are allowed. They are actively campaigning for toilets especially to be single sex. So are they wrong in your opinion?

The policies we are introducing in the U.k are no males in spaces designated for females only. Why is that regressive? What is the alternative? .

No, they are not advocating for policies akin to the EHRC guidance.

Well said @nauticant

@Lacksie start a thread based on whatever is your opinion. This thread relates to Sandie Peggie. Nothing you contribute has any bearing to Sandie’s situation. It is really easy to start a thread of your own.

I cannot understand if you have so much opinion and passion why you do not start a thread of your own.

Can you answer that please?

I am surprised to learn we are segregated by virtue of our genitals. Based on that assertion, then people who have had there ‘genitals” surgically altered, should go in to services according to a genital inspection. Oh yes!!! I am following the TRA argument now.

but of course we are not “segregated” by virtue of that, we can expect separate sex services, where appropriate due to our biological sex which is more, than just our genitalia.

@Lacksie you so very give yourself away as the biological male, and TRA, that you are.

I'm simply contributing to a conversation that plenty of other people are having . People talk about a subject for a while - no one complains- as soon as I comment - I'm suddenly " derailing" . Even if I am discussing the SP case I'm apparently "derailing". It's entirely transparent.

you so very give yourself away as the biological male, and TRA, that you are.

.It’s bonkers that you think I must be male simply because I disagree with you. Just because I have XX chromosomes and reproductive anatomy that has enabled me to give birth to several children, that doesn’t mean I’m obliged to agree with you. Women are individuals with their own thoughts, beliefs and opinions. We don’t all share one collective brain.

Pull the other one…..

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