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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #6

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nauticant · 07/02/2025 12:34

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Thread 5: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

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Boiledbeetle · 07/02/2025 14:35

NC five minute break to take instructions

ArabellaScott · 07/02/2025 14:35

5 minutes to consult

ArabellaScott · 07/02/2025 14:34

NC - we don't want to adjourn. We will accept the respondent won't get IT dept to do those searches.

StellaAndCrow · 07/02/2025 14:34

If it did contain identifiable patient info that would be another error on NHS Fife part.

CriticalCondition · 07/02/2025 14:34

NC - there's been no redaction of patients data so far so no reason to think info we ask for might contain it.

katmarie · 07/02/2025 14:34

MJHereWeGo · 07/02/2025 14:33

Why would there be patient data in the HR documents??!!!

This is the point now being made I feel.

ArabellaScott · 07/02/2025 14:33

NC - comms between managers, HR, witnesses, about an investigation, no reason for patient data

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 07/02/2025 14:33

JR's last words 'have I left anything out'...a bit rich considering the whole cock up of missing documents.

katmarie · 07/02/2025 14:33

She's trying to make the point that the search of the it system would be prohibitively time taking so.... eh, lets not bother.

nauticant · 07/02/2025 14:33

JR falls back on her position that full disclosure will require adjournment and must be avoided.

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Boiledbeetle · 07/02/2025 14:33

FFS you pull in all staff in information governance over the weekend you order in pizza and you get it fucking done.

ArabellaScott · 07/02/2025 14:33

JR - Hearing would need to be adjourned

NC - not clear why patient info would be included. No redactions so far.

MJHereWeGo · 07/02/2025 14:33

Why would there be patient data in the HR documents??!!!

CriticalCondition · 07/02/2025 14:33

JR .it is possible to do searches NC has asked for. One person not available but someone else is. Would take several days because have to redact patient info.

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 07/02/2025 14:32

IT request will take a few days...maybe Monday won't go ahead so.

ArabellaScott · 07/02/2025 14:32

JR - it IS possible to do the searches asked for, but the manager is not available, but someone else is.

The consequence will be that this will take a few days possibly more, because every page need to be redacted manually, patient data, etc

GruffaIo · 07/02/2025 14:32

JR's upbeat return to the fray post-lunch already faltering. Love to see it.

JasmineAllen · 07/02/2025 14:32

Please could someone in the know explain why Esther can't be cross examined to clear all this up.

ArabellaScott · 07/02/2025 14:31

JR - Louise Curran volunteered that statement. It appears

J - those two statements? Nobody else was spoken to?

JR - my understanding, but will confirm

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 07/02/2025 14:31

katmarie · 07/02/2025 14:30

The judge is being very thorough, I like it. He's highlighting the 'as discussed...' comment, and asking if Esther was really just receiving documents, or was she asking questions.

Yes, he seems on the ball.

JR seems a bit out of her depth here.

ArabellaScott · 07/02/2025 14:31

J - your understanding is that the role of Esther was not a full investigation but ... what was it?

JR - limited to the activity to receiving those two statements - I dont' know who asked Louise for the statement.

Boiledbeetle · 07/02/2025 14:30

Loving the judge right now

nauticant · 07/02/2025 14:30

Chair seems to think that ED was involved in an investigation. JR is faltering.

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MarieDeGournay · 07/02/2025 14:30

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 07/02/2025 14:28

Yes, she's playing lick arse, complete with fake laughing...

Oh yuk. I'm glad I'm not watching/listening.
So she has nasty mode for SP and pandering/laughter like the tinkling of silver bells mode for Dr U,and now that she realises she may have got on the judge's nerves..

katmarie · 07/02/2025 14:30

The judge is being very thorough, I like it. He's highlighting the 'as discussed...' comment, and asking if Esther was really just receiving documents, or was she asking questions.

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