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gendercritter · 04/07/2018 20:01

I just read on another thread that Justine is meeting with Penny Mordaunt soon.

In Justine's words: 'You should also know that I’m due to meet soon with Penny Mordaunt to discuss “any ideas you may have on the women and equalities agenda’' and I will of course reflect the strong opinion of many Mumsnetters wrt to this issue and ask her to do a webchat too.'

I thought this was worth highlighting so people can leave comments here for @justinemumsnet to mull over and raise with Penny. Perhaps, Justine, you could print them all off and hand them over to her when you see her.

Thank you.

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R0wantrees · 31/08/2018 15:15

I suppose hence the GRA consultation being timetabled at their and other's convenience ie the bureaucrats who can well afford long summer holidays and totally out of touch with safeguarding and austerity realities on the ground

It also seems to have coincided completely with Pride season.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 31/08/2018 14:53

What happened to Penny? On jolly hols I suppose hence the GRA consultation being timetabled at their and other's convenience ie the bureaucrats who can well afford long summer holidays and totally out of touch with safeguarding and austerity realities on the ground

R0wantrees · 31/08/2018 14:12

Penny Mordant as minister for Equalities will of course be aware of the significant work in this area achieved by Linda Bellos.

Is she aware that Linda Bellos has been targetted by some TRAs & as a consequence interviewed under caution by police. When the CPS declined to prosecute a TRA has now launched a private prosecution? They have also launched a similar case against Venice Allen.

In today's Daily Mail, Richard Littlejohn commented,
"Having fought for decades for equal representation for women, Bellos objects to plans for transgender candidates being allowed on all-women Labour shortlists.

She is also appalled by the violence directed towards feminists who oppose trans fundamentalism, especially a nasty assault on a radical feminist at a rally in London’s Hyde Park.

Bellos, a pugnacious character who still plays football and boxes at the age of 67, told a meeting in York that if any of these characters attempts to assault her: ‘I will take off my glasses and thump them.’ This was enough to have her reported to police, who for once displayed a modicum of common sense and declined to charge her. But the trans headbangers weren’t deterred.

They have now taken out a private prosecution and Bellos will have to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court, accused under the Public Order Act of using threatening language which could cause alarm.

No one would mistake me and Linda Bellos for political bedfellows. But although we’re diametric opposites on most issues, I’ve always admired her conviction, passion, honesty and willingness to speak her mind, regardless of what the hell anyone else thinks"

Will Penny Mordant look into this and discuss with colleagues from Attorney General’s Office, the Home Office & the Ministry of Justice as well as seeking background from the CPS and Police involved?

relevent links:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3351679-Daily-Mail-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Ive-always-admired-Linda-Bellos-and-its-outrageous-that-she-should-be-dragged-to-court-for-vowing-to-defend-herself-against-violent-trans-activists

Linda Bellos recent speech:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE6FV8Vn7P4&list=PLHE4J0EAEJOte5hYqBStokKbN1Ssnm5By&index=2

thread discussing her interview by police earlier in year following allegations:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237264-Linda-Bellos-arrested-Title-edited-by-MNHQ-to-make-clear-that-she-was-in-fact-interviewed-under-caution

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348613-Linda-Bellos-prosecuted-in-private-by-trans-activist-Thread-title-edited-at-OPs-request

Venice Allen:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348871-FYI-Venice-Allan-aka-DRRadfem-is-also-being-privately-prosecuted

R0wantrees · 29/08/2018 12:44

Is Penny Mordant aware of a serious case in Scotland where two young girls (aged 10 & 12) were sexually assaulted in women's supermarket toilets by a 17 year old male who has had social care involvement from an early age.
article:
www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/702003/fife-teen-on-sex-offenders-register-after-supermarket-child-attacks/

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329936-teen-films-girl-in-toilet

As the case is pending pre-sentencing reports, will Penny Mordant along with her colleague Nadhim Zahawi- Minister for Children be considering the wider serious implications of this case and requesting a serious case review?

Does Penny Mordant understand the wider serious implications of this case eg that two girls were sexually assaulted whilst (on at least one occasion) their father waited outside the toilet? That it seems likely a vulnerable young person (aged 17) with social care involvement may have been affirmed in their gender identity by carers so that they felt free to use these public women's toilets?

What does Penny Mordant suggest father's and young daughters do if out together and the girl needs to use a public toilet?

Does she agree that the the safety, privacy and dignity of girls must be taken more seriously?

Is Penny Mordant concerned that the government is not taking seriously the protection of children as referenced in the downgrading of the Children's ministerial role?
Discussed January 2018:
www.theguardian.com/social-care-network/2018/jan/18/downgrading-ministers-role-children-slipping-down-political-agenda

Is Nadhim Zahawi- Minister for Children aware of the resources made for young people in care, foster carers and professionals and have these been checked by suitably qualified and experienced professionals given that LAC are amongst the most vulnerable in society and the state has responsibility to them as Corporate parents?
thread with link to resources etc:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

R0wantrees · 29/08/2018 12:25

Does Penny Mordant support the concerns raised by her colleague Victoria Atkins with regards young people questioning their gender identity?

Is Penny Mordant concerned by the reactions by some TRAs who have been actively critical given that this relates to safeguarding concerns for vulnerable children and young people?

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348812-Victoria-Atkins

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348609-Kirkup-in-Telegraph-on-Victoria-Atkins

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347716-Guardian-LGBT-activists-criticise-minister-for-women-over-trans-comments

R0wantrees · 04/08/2018 12:35

Will Penny Mordant as a matter of urgency look into the current case in Canada and take seriously the needs of vulnerable women and the 'legitimate concerns' she has claimed to respect?

OP JoanSummers writes:
"I just listened to this and it is grim. A woman living in a shelter in Canada has been refused advice and representation by Ontario Human Rights Legal Support Centre because she 'misgendered' (what sounds to be) a male presenting 'transwoman' when making her initial enquiries to them about her own rights when that person was moved into her room by the shelter causing Kristi and other residents to feel vulnerable, scared, and traumatised.

Here is the audio:

Here is the article:
nationalpost.com/news/canada/kristi-hanna-human-rights-complaint-transgender-woman-toronto-shelter/

My take on the call is that the org isn't refusing to advise or represent Kristi because of the misgendering alone (although that is part of it) - I read their response as saying that a woman who refuses to share a room with a male bodied male presenting self identified 'transwoman' (or makes a complaint to the shelter about the situation) is potentially committing a crime because the male person has legal protection under Canada's 'gender' legislation. In this situation the Legal Support Centre cannot support the woman now because in the future the male person may decide to take legal action against that woman for discriminating against them.

Which means that in Canada women no longer have any usable rights as a group defined by sex, right?"

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3326360-Canadian-woman-denied-legal-rights-support-because-of-misgendering-a-male-presenting-transwoman

see also the details of current case in California where women were sexually harassed in a women's Homeless shelter by a trans woman; going to trial this month. Also within thread details of a murder of a woman by a transwoman in US and the concerns of the Homeless worker who had been supporting her:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3266198-No-True-Transwoman-transadvocates-question-whether-TW-is-genuine-after-said-TW-sexually-harasses-women-in-homeless-shelter

Will she evaluate Stonewall's position & recent report given these serious cases?

R0wantrees · 04/08/2018 11:58

When will Penny Mordant and the department of Women & Equalities be investigating the points made in the following threads & the involvement of Jess Bradley (Action for TRans Health / NUS / TELI) in development of government policy?

important threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321764-Jess-Bradley-suspended-Part-II

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii

Especially pertinent given her colleague, Maria Miller MP's recent comment in Stonewall's Domestic & Sexual Violence report:

The Rt Hon Maria Miller MP (Conservative), Chair of the Women and Equalities Select Committee said: ‘In 2016, I was proud to lead the Women and Equalities Select Committee’s inquiry into transgender equality. Alongside fundamental changes within our healthcare, education and criminal justice systems, we concluded that reform of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 is urgently needed.

‘But while there is cross-party support for trans equality, misinformation is holding back progress.

‘That’s why Stonewall and nfpSynergy’s report is so important. It provides a clear, balanced account of the provision of women-only services to trans survivors. It shows us that many services already support trans women on the basis of self-identification; streamlining the legal system of gender recognition will not have an impact on the way they are able to operate.

‘As the public consultation progresses, I hope that reports such as this will be used to inform an evidence-based conversation, where everyone can be heard and treated with dignity and respect.’

threads discussing the report:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325247-Stonewall-report-into-domestic-and-violent-services

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325388-Stonewalls-Report-on-domestic-and-sexual-violence-services-Interviews-with-professionals-in-the-sector

Indierockandroll · 31/07/2018 16:56

I would like to ask if Penny has seen the comments in Today's Times articles from women concerning Ann Sinnotts resignation and what Penny would say to those women who could not challenge the aggressive males in their spaces.

Also, given that Jess Bradley has exposed their penis in public spaces, does Penny still stand by her comment that Transwomen are women. And if so, on what basis please?

TheCountryGirl · 31/07/2018 16:38

Good question, Socio. I saw that statement and thought she is either very hypocritical, very stupid or worst of all...cares NOTHING for the women and girls in this country. At least not compared to the genderists' feelz.

JackyHolyoake · 31/07/2018 12:27

Question for Ms Penny Mordaunt, via Justine Roberts:

Why are we, as a society, being forced to accept as a reality the Legal Fiction, created by the Gender Recognition Act 2004, that a human can change sex?

No other Legal Fiction impacts on the lives of an entire society in the way that this one does.

This Legal Fiction claims that women [females] can be men [males], that men [males] can be women [females]. This is clearly redefining the meaning of the biological sexes of our entire society. It renders both sex classes as meaningless, that is, that what is understood to be female and male cease to exist.

LangCleg · 31/07/2018 12:09

Well said, sociopathsunited.

sociopathsunited · 31/07/2018 12:01

I'm curious about Penny's statement today, on the BBC website, about the horrific abuse of power in the charity sector, with specific reference to sexual abuse by men on women (and perhaps children, but I really hope not and I've not seen any reference to it).

"Mr Twigg said the Department for International Development should report annually on the safeguarding performance of the sector and ensure the Charity Commission has enough resources to police it.

International Development Secretary Penny Mordaunt welcomed the report, saying: "Until the sector is fully prepared to address the power imbalance, cultures, and behaviours that allow sexual abuse, exploitation and harassment to happen, we will never stamp it out.""

I'd like to know if the same standards are going to be applied to the safeguarding of women and children in this country. When are you going to listen to women? How many victims will be needed here before you back-pedal?

pamish · 31/07/2018 11:45

Where is the support for (young) lesbians? LGBT groups are often now dominated by at least the genderqueer ideology. Where can young lesbians go to get validation for their sexuality? How many groups are there for young lesbians ? - answer - none. How many groups for young trans? about 700. Many with LA funding.

Is she really OK that there is so much pressure to transition with all its horrifying medical + surgical risks, rather than having loads of happy lesbians and gay men?

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Sarahconnor1 · 29/07/2018 14:01

Can I add to the point above re Jess Bradley.

Will Penny be carrying out due diligence in the future before allowing people to have such influence on consultations and debate. Although this report is new, concerns about Jess and their views have been known for much longer.

R0wantrees · 29/07/2018 12:41

Is Penny Mordant aware of the current suspension of NUS Trans officer Jess Bradley? The details of the allegations under investigation are likely significant to the GRA consultation & Equalities Act.

Also may be prudant if The Womens & Equalities Dept considers the input & role/s played by Bradley (see Action for Trans Health / TELI). Some in-depth investigation may prove neccessary.

article in Mail on Sunday:
[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6003331/Britains-official-transgender-student-officer-suspended.html]]

Thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

R0wantrees · 19/07/2018 12:23

mummysmummy

Penny Mordant will likely have met Philip / Pips Bunce. Philip / Pippa has been involved with Stonewall & LGBT+. Penny may be able to comment specifically about whether Pips is a transwoman.

www.fnlondon.com/articles/mistranslated-i-split-my-time-as-pippa-and-philip-20171002

recent thread when Pippa Bunce was part of panel discussing Girl Guides:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3250175-Girl-Guides-Panel-discussion-at-Speakers-house-woman-male-woman-male-male-male

mummysmummy · 19/07/2018 11:57

Trans women are women-I would ask, define transwomen.
Is a transwoman someone who flirts with the whole concept and some days presents as a woman in some aspects, but usually presents as a man, the Eddie Izzards if you like
Is it someone who is presenting as a woman, as in clothing and hair/makeup, as this will enable special privileges, for example the increasing number of male prisoners claiming to be women now?
Is it someone who chooses to live most of the time as a woman but hasn’t undertaken medical or surgical treatment?
Is it someone who has most of the surgery but leaves the bottom surgery until a later date, if at all?
Is it someone who has struggled with their identity for many years and has undergone physiological, medical and surgical treatment to pass as a woman?
Trans women are a very mixed bunch indeed. We need a proper definition before decisions are made.

Hyppolyta · 19/07/2018 11:55

I would like to see Justine ask for a clarification of language used.

If males can be women, what word do we use to describe those whom are biologically female, to protect our legal rights?

R0wantrees · 19/07/2018 11:52

Please will others make a point of trying to make sure that this gets shared widely with others in the Women's Rights Community.

@DoctorW

Ereshkigal · 19/07/2018 11:06

Please will others make a point of trying to make sure that this gets shared widely with others in the Women's Rights Community.

Yes, I absolutely agree with you.

RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 10:43

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Your comments for Penny Mordaunt
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RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 10:42

Adam Wagner @AdamWagner1
Legal aid ‘deserts’ make human rights unenforceable - News from Parliament - excellent new report from @HumanRightsCtte out today

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/joint-select/human-rights-committee/news-parliament-2017/enforcing-human-rights-report-published-17-19/
Legal aid ‘deserts’ make human rights unenforceable

Take a look at the "The need for a culture of human rights" section of the report from page 39. Makes important recommendations such as focus on public legal education and teaching human rights in schools

This is a great conclusion from @HumanRightsCtte's report- will anyone listen? Please retweet and like to get this report out there!

THIS MUST BE QUOTED IN RESPONSE TO THE FARCE THAT IS THE GRA CONSULTATION.

Why is the Minister for Women and Equalities ignoring this? This is HUGE. It makes the point very succinctly that the desire to be politically correct is stiffling debate and may prevent human rights from being exercised despite the law existing. If the law is unenforcable then those rights are meaningless in practice.

On the home page for the report Harriet Harman is quoted saying the following:

Harriet Harman MP, Chair of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, said:

“For rights to be effective they have to be capable of being enforced.

To do this, we must have adequate and equality of access to legal information and advice; a robustly independent judiciary and legal profession; strong National Human Rights Institutions, including the Equality and Human Rights Commission and a culture which understands the concept of the rule of law, respects human rights and which is supported by the Government.

At the moment we are seeing the erosion of all of those enforcement mechanisms because of a lack of access to justice and lack of understanding of the fundamental importance of human rights and the rule of law.

The Government must act urgently to address this.

Government, Parliament, the media and the legal profession all have a responsibility to consider the importance of the rule of law, and the role that rights which can be enforced through an independent court system, plays in that.

Government must exercise self-restraint and refrain from criticising the judiciary and legal profession.”

So why is Harriet Harman not holding HER OWN PARTY to these standards with regard to women's rights????

You might be interested in the names of the MPs and Lords who are on this committee. They are:

Harriet Harman LAB
Fiona Bruce CON
Karen Buck LAB
Alex Burghart CON
Joanna Cherry SNP
Baroness Hamwee LD
Baroness Lawrence of Clarendon LAB
Jeremy Lefroy CON
Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne CON
Baroness Prosser LAB
Lord Trimble CON
Lord Woolf Crossbench

This is the report summary in full:
Summary

Human rights have been central to the UK constitution and its legal system throughout its history. The following section of Magna Carta remains in force today, and can be found on the Government’s legislation website.

“We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.”

For rights to be effective they have to be capable of being enforced. For that enforcement, it is essential to have:
- adequate access to legal information, advice and assistance for everyone at all income levels and in all areas of the country;
- a robustly independent judiciary;
- a robustly independent legal profession;
- a strong Equality and Human Rights Commission, held accountable for its work, and strong National Human Rights Institutions in the devolved administrations, similarly held accountable; and
- a culture which understands the concept of the rule of law, respects human rights and accepts that they will be enforced and which is supported by the Government.

Access to justice is fundamental to the rule of law. We are concerned that the reforms to legal aid introduced by the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Act 2012 (LASPO) have made access to justice more difficult for many, for whom it is simply unaffordable. Moreover, there are large areas of the country which are “legal aid deserts”, as practitioners withdraw from providing legal aid services since they can no longer afford to do this work following reductions in legal aid funding by successive governments over the past three decades. The Government is currently reviewing LASPO and we make recommendations for that review. There also needs to be a broader review into access to justice and the provision of advice and assistance, going beyond matters which might be seen as purely legal, to ensure that people can get the help needed to enforce their rights before matters escalate into expensive adversarial court proceedings. The remit of the Equality and Human Rights Commission should be extended so that it can take human rights cases on the same basis as it supports equality cases. It should use those powers assertively and be given adequate resources to allow it to do so. Its work should be more closely scrutinised by Parliament accordingly.

There is a need for better general understanding of the role of the courts in enforcing human rights, and in balancing the rights of one group against another. Ill-informed media criticism can undermine support for the legal system which protects everybody’s rights–even those of groups who are unpopular. There is also a need for better education about the legal system in general, and the way in which it protects people’s human rights, and the Government should do more to support and encourage this.

In its strategy for countering terrorism, the Government sets out its definition of British values:

“We believe it is essential to protect the values of our society–the rule of law, individual liberty, democracy, mutual respect, tolerance and understanding of different faiths and beliefs [ … ]"

Respect for the rule of law and the independence of the judiciary are values that the Government itself must demonstrate. The UK is fortunate in having a robustly independent judiciary. There have been occasions when Ministerial reactions to individual judgments have been inappropriate. We note that the requirement to uphold judicial independence is binding on all Ministers, in addition to the Lord Chancellor’s duty to defend such judicial independence. The Government should consider whether those requirements should also be written into the Ministerial Code.

A legal profession which fears adverse consequences from taking up unpopular causes will not be effective in defending rights: the Government must be careful not to use its voice and influence improperly.

The Government needs to make sure it appropriately prioritises due respect for rights, so that administrative decisions are taken with proper consideration of people’s rights.

Individuals should be protected from abuse by the State, and public bodies should respect the law. The UK’s legal framework allows individuals to protect their rights and gives the courts the task of deciding that balance in individual cases, within the parameters set by Parliament, which includes the Human Rights Act. There is legitimate debate over how best to protect rights and where the balance should be struck if rights compete. But no-one should lose sight of the fact that human rights, and the ability to enforce them, are amongst the hallmarks of a civilised country. Government, Parliament, the media and the legal profession all have a responsibility to consider the importance of the rule of law, and the role that rights which can be enforced through an independent court system plays in that.

My Bold.

WE MUST QUOTE THIS TO FUCKING DEATH AT PEOPLE WAILING ABOUT RIGHTS.

How can women make sure their rights are being considered if they are not even allowed at the table??!

Women and children are particularly vulnerable to legal aid cuts.

I've not had time to go through the report with a fine tooth comb but my first glance at the topic headlines came across this gem:

A hierarchy of rights?
149.The Committee received submissions indicating that some rights are not given sufficient weight compared to others, which could undermine confidence in the human rights framework as some individuals feel their rights are not protected.145 ADF International commented that: “Freedom of conscience appears in all of the major human rights treaties” and submitted that “while freedom of conscience is a fundamental human right … the lack of a clear legal test to assess whether it has been violated in practice means that it is difficult to enforce.” and “recommends that the Government advances a legal test to evaluate claims of conscience to ensure the robust protection and enforceability of freedom of conscience in practice."

150.The Barnabas Fund raised specific concerns that the culture within some public bodies, including the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) and the Equality Commission for Northern Ireland (ECNI), “appears to conflate the promotion of human rights and ‘equality’ with promoting the ideological agenda of particular minority groups [ … ]” When asked in oral evidence about how the EHRC prioritised cases, David Isaac, Chair of the EHRC told us that:

“Where we think there are areas, particularly in relation to legal intervention, which are unclear or need to be resolved, we will support those, irrespective of which group it most impacts on, or whether it disadvantages a particular group. From our perspective, there is no hierarchy.”

151.David Russell, Chief Executive of the NIHRC echoed these sentiments and told us that: “[r]ights are for everyone. There is no hierarchy; they are universal. If non-discrimination and freedom of religious belief are in the balance, the commissions have an important role to play” and spoke of the:

“[ … ] commission’s important role of ensuring that the public space for human rights is opened up to everyone. [ … ] Often, the commissions have more in common with faith-based communities than we have differences, particularly around [ … ] social and economic rights, and social justice matters, such as housing and health. There is lots of room for partnership where the perception of there being a dichotomy does not stack up in practice. That has to be voiced.”

152.However, when asked to address concerns as to whether the EHRC had not got the balance right in recent years when considering freedom of belief alongside other rights, David Isaac said:

“I know that there are anxieties. The commission has various stakeholder groups and one is on faith and belief. There are all sorts of discussions, and we have frank but respectful debate on areas where people disagree. We listen, wherever we can, to those differing views, but I am sure we can do more.’’

153.Government, NHRIs and human rights advocates should seek ways of engaging more effectively with the public about how different human rights are balanced, in order to address the perspectives that human rights are “for others and not for us” and that “political correctness” stifles debate. The Government should consider the introduction of a legal test to ensure that claims of conscience and faith are reasonably accommodated within the human rights framework. The rights of minority groups will always be vulnerable, and the acid test of an effective human rights system is that it must protect these groups, while ensuring the rights of the majority are also respected.

Their bold.

Please will others make a point of trying to make sure that this gets shared widely with others in the Women's Rights Community.

IT MAKES OUR POINT EXPLICITLY.

R0wantrees · 19/07/2018 08:17

At yesterday's Fawcett Society 50:50 conference, Penny Mordant's predecessor Maria Miller MP made the following comment:

"In terms of all women shortlists, and transwomen: it’s not about a belief that a transwoman is a woman, it is the law. And it’s been that way for ten years."

Does she think this is misleading & will she please clarify the law?

see Fairplay for Women Equality Act information on AWS: fairplayforwomen.com/equality-act-2010_womens-rights/#jump8

As minister for both women and equalities, how would she respond to Sal Brinton's comment that she would be 'absolutely happy' with a Parliament made up of 50% men 50% transwomen?

Also, in response to DAwn Butler's comment. Does Penny Mordant agree that it is a shame that focus has been on promoting the political engagement of trans women through AWS whilst trans men do not appear to be similarly promoted or encouraged? Why does she think this is?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3310443-Fawcett-Society-Live-stream-from-5-30pm-Courage-Calls-Ask-her-to-stand

SarahCarer · 18/07/2018 21:15

I would like to ask Penny Mordant if she is concerned about the disproportionately high numbers of autistic young people identifying as transgender and embarking on a path of medical treatment which ends in state sponsored surgical mutilation.

homefromthehills · 18/07/2018 21:02

Three questions to ask her from my perspective as a transsexual woman:

1: The government say that the GRA is not working because too few people have obtained a GRC. So how does she explain that in the 2004 parliamentary debate that voted in the GRA it is clear it was aimed at transsexuals (not cross dressers etc) AND doctors advised about 5000 transsexuals would apply. 4990 have obtained a GRC 14 years later. Exactly in line with government predictions. So how is that defined as not working? What definitions have they changed since 2004 and why?

2: For all of modern history so far sex on a birth record has been decided by midwives, physicians etc. Any alterations to that definition has to be signed off by a doctor who believes there is genuine need to alter the record. Does she not think removing all medical assessment from changing a birth certificate and making it the choice of the person who holds it might set a dangerous precedent? Would a lunatic be the best person to judge if they were now sane? In effect by allowing any of us to decide a medical circumstance instead of a doctor is that not what this is doing? It also changes the entire definition of the meaning of sex from medical assessment on balance of evidence to someone's feelings at one point in time. Is that a momentous step this government wants to be seen to be the one to have chosen to take?

3: Over the past decades since transitioning first started doctors and psychiatrists have recognised that only about 10% of those who say they must change gender actually do so permanently. The other 90% change their minds or it is concluded they have other issues that need to be resolved first in different ways instead of transitioning or before transitioning. If all such up front assessment is removed how can the GRA guard against a high level of mistakes and people who realise they should not have transitioned? The desistence rate at child gender clinics is equally high. Making it an offence to say you are transitioning by deed poll permanently but then wanting to change back could make those who have made a mistake fear reversing the move in case they get in trouble. How - without any psychological assessment or counselling up front - can inappropriate transitions be minimised?

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