Laura Brand, would you stand by your man? Trigger rape.

Wtf was he doing in the ladies toilet?

This.^^

@ElectoralControversy said this earlier which explains it so well

As mentioned above, "innocent until proven guilty" just means that no punishment should be exacted on someone until the evidence on the case has been heard - they should be treated as if innocent.
Some people seem to think that it means that the accused exists in some kind of Schrodinger-esque quantum state until after the trial.
Either he carried out one or more rapes and sexual assaults or he didn't, what happens in court has absolutely no bearing on that, only on whether he will be punished.

I’m sorry for what happened to you

yes - I’ve been thinking the same - both KP and LG - they will know his sexual proclivities only too well - especially over a marriage of ten years or so - Leopards don’t change their spots

I'm so sorry the same happened to you

The system is a joke-i won't list what happened while I was in that waiting room in court (as it was badly handled by every single person there,which threw me massively) but the one thing I will say is he should never have been put in a room opposite,where him,her and some bloke they seemed to know could sit,smirk and shout abuse at me

I was in a right state by the time I got to the dock

Then I was twisted into 'what knickers where you wearing?' (Granny pants) 'What clothes where you wearing?' (Jeans,a baggy hoodie and a tee).'What footwear where you wearing?' (Trainers)

Like fabric held the answer to his actions

Hes still out there,still hurting women and still has her by his side,bleating on that he's done nothing wrong

Wouldn't surprise me if he's abusing her and she can't see it so can't break away

The girlfriend of the man who assaulted me came to the trail to support him even though the evidence was overwhelming, there was actually an eyewitness to the attack and a load of CCTV of him following me and me trying to shake him off. I cannot think what rubbish he must have come out with to make her think he was innocent other than to say he was drunk (counts for nothing legally) and to "play down" the severity of the attack. Anyway off he went to jail for several years, and the next time he was up in court it was for attempting to throttle his girlfriend in a pub and then trying to glass the bar staff who intervened.

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I don't think RB is articulate. He rambles on using a lot of words that actually mean nothing. Pointless words.

Ain’t dat the truth!

he’s a rambler..far from articulate

manipulative, yes

Well yes, if someone has committed a crime they are guilty.

What about innocent until proven guilty? We seem to have forgotten this when it comes to celebrities. Everyone is so keen to jump on them. And maybe she loves him and is concerned about his mental health?

Have you read the thread at all @Autumngirl5?

(There’s been quite a lot of discussion of ‘innocent until proven guilty’)

Yeah fair enough - you have a point there.

Some horrible stories here, my sympathy is with @ItalianChips @Thewonderfuldollypartonsbra and everyone whose abuser was found not guilty or didn’t even make it to court 😔💐

As said you are guilty as soon as you commit the crime, not when a later court determines if you will be punished or not

the innocent until proven innocent is a legal principle used in this process - it doesn’t apply outside of the court

Yes this - there are some good explanations - read the thread

I agree with you

I wouldn't judge my husband by the standards of the court, which are notoriously bad for convicting for rape. I'd judge my inner feeling whether they had done it. In this instance, the volume of accusations and the large number of women accusing him would make my blood run cold.

I have read the thread. There is a ‘lynch mob’ mentality’ around now which I find very worrying. Especially when it is celebrities involved.

I disagree. I don’t see lynch mobs just general revulsion on hearing the testimonys.

There is definitely a problem in giving men power. It’s Savile effect all over again. I think giving men power and adoration is to be avoided they can’t deal with it. I see it at DDs school the boys on the rugby scholarships lord it and have become misogynistic monsters in a way the normal boys have not.

Well if you’ve read the thread and understood the discussions I don’t see why you’re still bleating about innocent until proven.

I will quote one explanation above from @Tinydanceer : the innocent until proven innocent is a legal principle used in this process - it doesn’t apply outside of the court

So again - what do you mean by repeating this mantra? It seems very mindless at this point!

I have seen this man in a very dim light for a long time and listening to his own admissions of his lifestyle and his behaviour I do not believe he is of good character. The evidence presented thus far hasn’t helped with this either. I am being perfectly reasonable in coming to the conclusion that I think it’s highly likely he could be guilty of such a thing.

But it’s not like I’m clamouring for the trial to be abandoned and for him to be thrown in jail forever!

It’s true. We see it in many footballers too. And in America so many of these college sport stars terrorising women.

More recently I’m seeing a lot of popular charismatic pastors, spiritual leaders and fitness influences exposed for bad behaviour.I suspect part of what lead to that is being corrupted by the elevated status and influence they wield in their communities. We need to stop putting these men on a pedestal.

Absolutely. The structures that enable this behaviour need to be dismantled. One of the victims was a junior working with him who was coerced into sexual contact to placate him to please their bosses who wanted to keep “the talent” happy. The enablers should be held to account too.

Basically came on to me. I was 20, in the girls loos by myself.

I said something like “erm, no thank you” and got out of there. What people maybe don’t notice is that he’s huge. Really tall, and although he looks slim he’s actually pretty well built.

And he’s got wild, Peter Sutcliff eyes