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Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

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KellyK2026 · 04/09/2026 16:50

Lindsay Clancy, what do we all think? Pure evil or mentally ill?

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BingoJingo · Yesterday 22:08

Aluna · Yesterday 22:05

You sound as well informed on the LL case as you are on the LC.

I think I’ve come to the end of my patience.

Thank God for that!

BingoJingo · Yesterday 22:08

Aluna · Yesterday 22:04

You might like to read the testimony again.

Can't answer then? Thought not.

UserDownTheRoad · Yesterday 22:14

If we accept that postpartum mental illness or drugs can alter someone’s brain and diminish their capacity for rational thought or control, why do we treat other forms of brain alteration, like severe childhood trauma which happened to many serial killers etc, as NOT a valid defence?

I just think it’s a slippery slope to let people off the hook based on what they say their feelings were when they murdered their children.

BingoJingo · Yesterday 22:19

UserDownTheRoad · Yesterday 22:14

If we accept that postpartum mental illness or drugs can alter someone’s brain and diminish their capacity for rational thought or control, why do we treat other forms of brain alteration, like severe childhood trauma which happened to many serial killers etc, as NOT a valid defence?

I just think it’s a slippery slope to let people off the hook based on what they say their feelings were when they murdered their children.

I agree with this. I think it is highly concerning that killers can utilise a vague and unsubstantiated 'psychotic' episode as their defence.

If you hear the details of this psychosis it is clear that she in fact made decisions independent of this supposed 'command voice' in order to to execute the killings, such as the manner of death and choice of murder weapon, order of killings etc.

It appears to me that it was cooked up with her defence when she was in hospital after the deaths.

Why she is given an outpouring of sympathy for the cold and callous murder of her children is just unfathomable to me.

OpenScroller · Yesterday 22:44

BingoJingo · Yesterday 22:19

I agree with this. I think it is highly concerning that killers can utilise a vague and unsubstantiated 'psychotic' episode as their defence.

If you hear the details of this psychosis it is clear that she in fact made decisions independent of this supposed 'command voice' in order to to execute the killings, such as the manner of death and choice of murder weapon, order of killings etc.

It appears to me that it was cooked up with her defence when she was in hospital after the deaths.

Why she is given an outpouring of sympathy for the cold and callous murder of her children is just unfathomable to me.

Why did she obey this 'command voice', which she'd never heard before?

She was lucid enough to call Patrick back, while committing the murders, when she missed his call and answered his question without raising his suspicions other than she sounded 'busy'. Can you imagine his memory of that phone call after he knew what she was doing. Horrific!

Usually in cases where insanity pleas are used, the 'voice' telling the murderer to do these things is 'God' commanding them. Not a random man.

It's utter bullshit.

BingoJingo · Yesterday 22:53

OpenScroller · Yesterday 22:44

Why did she obey this 'command voice', which she'd never heard before?

She was lucid enough to call Patrick back, while committing the murders, when she missed his call and answered his question without raising his suspicions other than she sounded 'busy'. Can you imagine his memory of that phone call after he knew what she was doing. Horrific!

Usually in cases where insanity pleas are used, the 'voice' telling the murderer to do these things is 'God' commanding them. Not a random man.

It's utter bullshit.

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I totally agree. What Patrick has endured is beyond torture and the way he has been vilified and blamed is disgusting.

I think it is seems that people would prefer to believe that she was a victim of an outside entity commanding her to kill her children when all the evidence points to her doing it herself in control of her faculties.

How is it in any way feasible that she committed these killings under the control of a command voice but at the same time she was able speak coherently and rationaly to Patrick about the medicine he was collecting during these killings?

Utter bullshit indeed.

mulberrymilk · Yesterday 23:10

Aluna · Yesterday 16:04

She was given Zoloft and despite her bad reaction the dose was doubled.

When she was later given Prozac, another SSRI, she did not report a good reaction to it, no. She reported intensifying insomnia and anxiety.

Why she was re-prescribed it with that history idk.

After that she was given Seroquel (bipolar med) by a nurse practitioner which caused a significant turn for the worse which ended up in hospitalisation and the med was stopped.

It’s not that SSRIs may “trigger bipolar” from scratch but that they may trigger mania/hypomania in someone with an underlying tendency to bipolar. Just as they may trigger depressive symptoms in susceptible individuals.

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Are you a psychiatrist? Because I'm not.

She was given Zoloft in mid-September by her original psychiatrist and delayed taking it for two weeks, and then took it for one week - in early October 2024.

The sudden and brief "psychosis" with "command hallucinations" was in January 2023.

She was given Prozac at a very low dose (10mg) in November by another practitioner (psychiatric nurse practictioner). For example, my friend is on 300mg daily, and the usual starting dose as far as I am aware is 20mg.

Years ago, she had taken Prozac with good results, apparently.

Clearly she didn't continue with it, care of unpleasant side-effects.

The original shrink, Tufts, restarts her in mid-December along with a mood stabiliser which is the regime designed to temper the side-effects of SSRIs, as told to me by a shrink who was bipolar himself.

In amongst that mix was a slew of benzos and later some antipsychotics - which are among the drugs a person with bipolar might be prescribed, so I can't see how they (Seroquel, eg) would be the worst thing someone who was bipolar (which she has now been diagnosed with, after the fact, and frankly bipolar 2 is just another diagnosis, doesn't mean it's the right one) could take.

Why she felt the need to move from one to the other concurrently, when this is not the general practice and as a nurse she ought to know to stick with one psychiatrist or get another regular one to stick with, not see multiple doctors and prescribing nurses at the same time alongside one another beats me.

mulberrymilk · Yesterday 23:15

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 16:12

Nobody has said that you can’t participate on this Thread if you haven’t watched the full trial. But if you’re going to write barefaced lies, like ‘LC wrote in her diary that she hated her son’ be prepared to be called out for it by people who have done their research. Unfortunately rather than admitting they were wrong, some commenters have doubled down.

What about your "bare-faced lies" that you doubled down on and repeated at least half a dozen times if not more - happy to search them all out and repeat them in a long long post - about what the prosecution had to prove in this case?

OpenScroller · Today 00:09

On reading a bit more on this case (I hadn't paid much attention until Friday), another things that blows her 'psychosis' defence out of the water IMO is that she threw herself out of the window when she heard Patrick come home.

She had gone into the bedroom upstairs, locked the door and put her smart watch in the dressing table drawer, then made the superficial cuts.

If she really was in the grip of psychosis she would have followed through and cut her carotid artery, as it seems that was her intention from her internet search, but couldn't go through with it.

From her smart watch, it seems she put it in the drawer at around 5.38pm as that is when the system last logged data indicating she'd climbed 2 flights of stairs an Patrick arrived back at 6.09pm so she was dithering for almost 30 minutes.

That shows she was in control of her faculties because if you were, you WOULD hesitate before cutting the major artery in your neck!

Maybe she hadn't planned for the scenario where she couldn't do it so Patrick coming home finding her alive?

She must have panicked when she heard Patrick come in and start knocking at the door, so threw herself out of the window, possibly not realising the implications of the grassy ground below being rock hard or not caring, because she was going to have to face the reality of what she'd done to their kids and that she hadn't been able to follow through with killing herself by the method she'd planned to.

That again shows rational thought.

The drop was around 13 foot and survivable. It was only because she fell on her head that she had such severe injury, but that may have been unintentional in the rush to get out before he got the door open and she had to face him.

Don't mind being corrected if I've got facts wrong.

mulberrymilk · Today 00:17

OpenScroller · Today 00:09

On reading a bit more on this case (I hadn't paid much attention until Friday), another things that blows her 'psychosis' defence out of the water IMO is that she threw herself out of the window when she heard Patrick come home.

She had gone into the bedroom upstairs, locked the door and put her smart watch in the dressing table drawer, then made the superficial cuts.

If she really was in the grip of psychosis she would have followed through and cut her carotid artery, as it seems that was her intention from her internet search, but couldn't go through with it.

From her smart watch, it seems she put it in the drawer at around 5.38pm as that is when the system last logged data indicating she'd climbed 2 flights of stairs an Patrick arrived back at 6.09pm so she was dithering for almost 30 minutes.

That shows she was in control of her faculties because if you were, you WOULD hesitate before cutting the major artery in your neck!

Maybe she hadn't planned for the scenario where she couldn't do it so Patrick coming home finding her alive?

She must have panicked when she heard Patrick come in and start knocking at the door, so threw herself out of the window, possibly not realising the implications of the grassy ground below being rock hard or not caring, because she was going to have to face the reality of what she'd done to their kids and that she hadn't been able to follow through with killing herself by the method she'd planned to.

That again shows rational thought.

The drop was around 13 foot and survivable. It was only because she fell on her head that she had such severe injury, but that may have been unintentional in the rush to get out before he got the door open and she had to face him.

Don't mind being corrected if I've got facts wrong.

That's really interesting about the timing.

It seems she did a whole lot of hesitating, after the enormous ruthlessness of killing her children one by one.

It also explains the amount of blood in the bedroom if she was hanging around in there dripping bits from her minor wrist lacerations for some time.

If she really was in the grip of psychosis she would have followed through and cut her carotid artery, as it seems that was her intention from her internet search, but couldn't go through with it.

Someone in the grip of psychosis wouldn't make a few little hesitation cuts that don't require stitching, they'd just slit their throat, successfully or not.

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