Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

Really? I find this blame so bizarre.

I get the points about the system perhaps not dealing with LC appropriately but to push this on to PC and the mother who you say should have sectioned her, I find too much.

Sigh, yet again you are missing important points. The details below do contradict your assertion because it simply states the family can contact local servides or petition a distric court for an emergency health order. The medical experts are the ones who can execute the section 12 order.

• Initiating an Emergency Evaluation: While medical professionals or police typically execute a Section 12 directly, families can contact local emergency services or petition a district court for an emergency mental health order. 1, 2]

Do you really think a judge is going to deprive someone of their liberty on the word of a spouse by submitting them to an involuntary hold? You do know that LC admitted herself to Maclean Hospital and then discharged herself...

Acted how?

By informing the psychiatrist?

And then LC denies having any plans to harm as she did multiple times to Jennifer Tufts including the day before the killings?

You do know that the psychiatrist will not just go on the words of the spouse or mother.

And there we are again with the victim blaming.

JT finished med school in 2018. Did 4 years postgrad training in psychiatry finishing in 2022. Started work at the clinic in 2022. She treated LC one month after joining the private practice and roughly two months after finishing her residency training

Perhaps a more experienced one would have been more curious. Presumably she will learn from this case.

I haven’t?

If you listen to the testimony, what Patrick said is that “She described thoughts of hurting the kids or them having some sort of ailment,” he said, adding he wasn’t concerned for their safety because she didn’t show “any intention” of harming them."

I think we need to lay off Patrick now, the man has been tormented and subjected to horrific online bullying accusations.

Whatever he did or did not do, or report, I do not think it would have made a difference because she denied any such thoughts to the treating psychiatrists.

And importantly, she expressed no plans or intentions of harm. She was assessed extensively by psychiatrists. None of them said she had PPP but we are all meant to believe that she had it in those moments when she killed her kids under the authority of a vague command voice? Sorry I am not buying it.

She made the decisions on what to do, how to kill them, how long to apply the pressure of those bands, before moving onto the next. None of the expert witness psychiatrists (for both defence and prosecution) said anything different.

I don’t mind the posts about any failings with the system, but I agree with @BingoJingore PC.

He’s already seen the worst thing imaginable, he doesn’t need internet blame for any of it.

But your characterising this as missed opportunities negates the role that LC herself played in all of this. By not being honest with Drs, shopping around for different treatments, not taking the medication (which was given in very conservative doses), she herself played a role.

She did not show signs of PPP to the treating psychiatrists, and this was only said retrospectively to get her off the hook in my opinion.

She acted on a vague command voice the first time she heard it and then took that as the basis to execute the brutal slaughter of her kids one by one using different exercise bands to kill them. This is so vanishingly rare according to one of the experts.

I am not buying her story. She did not appear to express any sadness on their anniversaries... This is so weird, cold and callous.

But it did come up with the psychiatrist

She didn’t shop around. She kept repeatedly reaching out for help because the treatments she was given weren’t working and was passed from pillar to post.

The same thing happens here.

Yes you have made that clear. And my point is that if she then denies or minimises this to the health professionals, as was the case throughout, then they would likely have not have had the basis to proceed with a section.

She told different stories to different people and the information she conveyed to them was unanimously not seen as rising to the level of an involuntary hold.

Only LC can explain why this is.

She didn't give the medication she was prescribed enough time to work before she went off to a different person.

As a nurse she should have known that she needed to take them as prescribed.

Why are you saying this to me? I’ve never blamed him in any of my posts.

It’s interesting you’re so sensitive to blame on PC but super happy to heap blame on LC.

Who admitted to failings?

They have denied negligence in the civil cases.

Yes it is appropriate to blame a woman who murdered her children under the guise of a vague command voice that occurred conveniently in a time window when her husband was out of the house.

And whom had never reported it before or since...

Idk if this is uniformed or disingenuous.

If you read the testimony - each drug she was given caused severe side effects - nonetheless thé practitioner tended to increase the dose. When that produced even worse side effects thé drug was changed.

It’s not that they weren’t given long enough to work it’s that the side effects were too severe to continue.

She was prescribed 2 SSRIs which are contraindicated in bipolar, when those failed she was given a bipolar drug that caused even worse side effects. At that point she was admitted to hospital who took her off that drug to stabilise her, but then gave her another AD a which triggered suicidal ideation and thoughts of harming her children. That was shortly before the suicide attempt/killings.

Are you seriously saying that philanthropy focusing on murdered children, at the exclusion of their mother, the murderer, is misogynistic?

SM is one way a good thing, in that people can share views and opinions, but it's also terrifying to find out how some people think!

Yes, unfortunately. It’s such a sad story.

I have listened to the testimonies and what you say does not correlate with my recollection. They all said that this treatment aligned with the accepted approach. Her ridiculous bully of a lawyer tried to make out that they should have 'investigated' her interactions with other hospitals. She was responsible for informing them of this.

She was competent to give her own account and they saw her in this way. They all followed and applied the diagnostic criteria for PPP as per the DSM V and she did not meet it.

You are casting assertions on their competence because they were not experienced in PPP but they were well aware of the diagnostic criteria. They are all board certified psychiatrists but everyone here knows better seemingly..