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Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

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KellyK2026 · 04/09/2026 16:50

Lindsay Clancy, what do we all think? Pure evil or mentally ill?

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BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:02

Indeed they will always blame the man. The fact that her mother is not mentioned at all despite her testimony about LC's thoughts...

Aluna · Yesterday 20:03

BingoJingo · Yesterday 19:42

Not if she denies it to the psychiatrist it doesn't. Or should they just go on the say so of Patrick?

Do you think mental health professionals were brought down in the last shower?

A relative can report thoughts of harm to self or others, and family input is often vital during an MHA (Mental Health Act) assessment.

If an individual denies symptoms to a psychiatrist, clinicians look beyond self-reporting.

They make their own behavioural assessment and evaluate third party evidence, medical history, risk indicators etc to form a legal decision.

Family members can provide a written record directly to the care team documenting incidents, quotes, statements of anything they may deny during assessment. This can’t be ignored simply because a patient denies them.

Equally family can exercise nearest relative right to request a mental health assessment.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:03

CloverAndGrass · Yesterday 20:01

Apologies I was unclear. I’m agreeing with you. I don’t think PC or LC’s mother acted wrongly. I’m saying that if someone says one did, then they should judge both. But my experience on MN is that people will fall over themselves to find a reason not to judge a woman when they would have no qualms judging a man who did the same thing.

They both should’ve reported it but a married spouse is considered the nearest relative under most mental health acts. Either one of them could’ve got her sectioned though.

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BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:03

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:01

Of course you can’t? Have you looked up the process for a petition to get a spouse involuntarily sectioned in Massachusetts? Because you most certainly can. The spouse must be at risk of harming themselves or others, which I say LC qualified for.

Did you miss my earlier post

According to Google, involuntary psychiatric holds or civil commitments in the U.S. cannot be finalized without medical or mental health professionals, but a spouse or private citizen can initiate the legal process.

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:04

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:03

They both should’ve reported it but a married spouse is considered the nearest relative under most mental health acts. Either one of them could’ve got her sectioned though.

Wrong again, they can initiate a legal process but they cannot get her sectioned witthout the final input of mental health professionals.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:05

Aluna · Yesterday 20:03

Do you think mental health professionals were brought down in the last shower?

A relative can report thoughts of harm to self or others, and family input is often vital during an MHA (Mental Health Act) assessment.

If an individual denies symptoms to a psychiatrist, clinicians look beyond self-reporting.

They make their own behavioural assessment and evaluate third party evidence, medical history, risk indicators etc to form a legal decision.

Family members can provide a written record directly to the care team documenting incidents, quotes, statements of anything they may deny during assessment. This can’t be ignored simply because a patient denies them.

Equally family can exercise nearest relative right to request a mental health assessment.

So why blame the spouse?

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:05

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:03

Did you miss my earlier post

According to Google, involuntary psychiatric holds or civil commitments in the U.S. cannot be finalized without medical or mental health professionals, but a spouse or private citizen can initiate the legal process.

Yes, they can get a person sectioned and of course they then are formally evaluated (duh?). But if there’s an immediate risk they hold a person immediately and will perform extensive assessments.

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KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:06

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:04

Wrong again, they can initiate a legal process but they cannot get her sectioned witthout the final input of mental health professionals.

Not true, if someone is an immediate risk they can be held immediately.

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BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:06

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:03

They both should’ve reported it but a married spouse is considered the nearest relative under most mental health acts. Either one of them could’ve got her sectioned though.

And considering she discharged herself from Maclean hospital earlier in the month of the killings, do you really think that they would have been able to hold her involuntarily?

Honestly wake up - stop climbing over yourself to defend a child killer.

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:07

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:06

Not true, if someone is an immediate risk they can be held immediately.

Without the input of mental health professionals? Please cite the law that states this is possible.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:08

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:06

And considering she discharged herself from Maclean hospital earlier in the month of the killings, do you really think that they would have been able to hold her involuntarily?

Honestly wake up - stop climbing over yourself to defend a child killer.

this is the Massachusetts law. If a person is at risk to themselves or someone else they qualify for an emergency evaluation where they will be held.

Section 12: Emergency Mental Health Commitment
If your spouse is experiencing a psychiatric crisis, severe depression, or psychosis where they cannot protect themselves or are a danger to others, an emergency evaluation under Section 12 applies. 1]

  • Initiating an Emergency Evaluation: While medical professionals or police typically execute a Section 12 directly, families can contact local emergency services or petition a district court for an emergency mental health order. 1, 2]
  • Temporary Evaluation: A Section 12 allows police or medical personnel to transport your spouse to a hospital emergency department or psychiatric facility against their will for a temporary evaluation, which generally lasts up to 3 days (72 hours). 1, 2]
  • Further Action: During those three days, the facility's psychiatrists evaluate your spouse to decide if they meet the threshold for a longer, formal court-ordered commitment or if they can be discharged or treated voluntarily. 1]

Involuntary Commitment to a Mental Health Institution

Explore the intersection of mental health and family law, focusing on guardianship and involuntary commitment in Massachusetts cases.

https://turcolegal.com/blog/discharge-involuntary-commitment-institution/

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BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:09

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:05

Yes, they can get a person sectioned and of course they then are formally evaluated (duh?). But if there’s an immediate risk they hold a person immediately and will perform extensive assessments.

They can initiate the legal process but the patient cannot be sectioned unless it is signed off by psychiatrists... duh

I know you are heavily invested in defending this woman who slaughtered her children to death in a brutal and violent fashion. But you really need to stop now with your mental gymnastics to try and defend her. It is becoming obscene.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:10

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:09

They can initiate the legal process but the patient cannot be sectioned unless it is signed off by psychiatrists... duh

I know you are heavily invested in defending this woman who slaughtered her children to death in a brutal and violent fashion. But you really need to stop now with your mental gymnastics to try and defend her. It is becoming obscene.

lol, and you’re not making any sense.

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BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:11

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:08

this is the Massachusetts law. If a person is at risk to themselves or someone else they qualify for an emergency evaluation where they will be held.

Section 12: Emergency Mental Health Commitment
If your spouse is experiencing a psychiatric crisis, severe depression, or psychosis where they cannot protect themselves or are a danger to others, an emergency evaluation under Section 12 applies. 1]

  • Initiating an Emergency Evaluation: While medical professionals or police typically execute a Section 12 directly, families can contact local emergency services or petition a district court for an emergency mental health order. 1, 2]
  • Temporary Evaluation: A Section 12 allows police or medical personnel to transport your spouse to a hospital emergency department or psychiatric facility against their will for a temporary evaluation, which generally lasts up to 3 days (72 hours). 1, 2]
  • Further Action: During those three days, the facility's psychiatrists evaluate your spouse to decide if they meet the threshold for a longer, formal court-ordered commitment or if they can be discharged or treated voluntarily. 1]
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But she is not at risk if she denied to her psychiatrist the day before she killed her children that she had any plans to harm them.

In fact she denied ever having any plans to harm them or herself. So what are they going to hold her on?

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:11

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:10

lol, and you’re not making any sense.

OK, lol.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:12

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:11

But she is not at risk if she denied to her psychiatrist the day before she killed her children that she had any plans to harm them.

In fact she denied ever having any plans to harm them or herself. So what are they going to hold her on?

Eh? You’re saying a woman who told her family that she had thoughts of killing herself and harming her children isn’t a risk? Give over.

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MissMoneyFairy · Yesterday 20:14

Nowhere have I read that a spouse or parent can have someone sectioned, they can request an assessment or contact the emergency services

EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:14

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:08

this is the Massachusetts law. If a person is at risk to themselves or someone else they qualify for an emergency evaluation where they will be held.

Section 12: Emergency Mental Health Commitment
If your spouse is experiencing a psychiatric crisis, severe depression, or psychosis where they cannot protect themselves or are a danger to others, an emergency evaluation under Section 12 applies. 1]

  • Initiating an Emergency Evaluation: While medical professionals or police typically execute a Section 12 directly, families can contact local emergency services or petition a district court for an emergency mental health order. 1, 2]
  • Temporary Evaluation: A Section 12 allows police or medical personnel to transport your spouse to a hospital emergency department or psychiatric facility against their will for a temporary evaluation, which generally lasts up to 3 days (72 hours). 1, 2]
  • Further Action: During those three days, the facility's psychiatrists evaluate your spouse to decide if they meet the threshold for a longer, formal court-ordered commitment or if they can be discharged or treated voluntarily. 1]
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She was assessed? What did the psychiatrist say about it, it sounds like JT said she was ok.

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:14

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:12

Eh? You’re saying a woman who told her family that she had thoughts of killing herself and harming her children isn’t a risk? Give over.

You need to have a plan - they ask you this specifically - when she said she had thoughts of harm - she was always asked if she had a plan. She denied having a plan and so no further action is taken.

This was discussed multiple times in the testimony.

You don't seem to appreciate the distinction here but you are off spouting any line you can in her attempt to defend a child killer.

It is abhorrent.

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:16

MissMoneyFairy · Yesterday 20:14

Nowhere have I read that a spouse or parent can have someone sectioned, they can request an assessment or contact the emergency services

Oh according to Miss Moneypenny @KellyK2026 you can..

But then again she is heavily invested in jumping to outlandish conclusions in her desire to give neverending support to the child killer.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:18

MissMoneyFairy · Yesterday 20:14

Nowhere have I read that a spouse or parent can have someone sectioned, they can request an assessment or contact the emergency services

This is in Massachusetts. If your partner expresses that they are a risk to themselves or others they can be held immediately and against their will.

Section 12: Emergency Mental Health Commitment
If your spouse is experiencing a psychiatric crisis, severe depression, or psychosis where they cannot protect themselves or are a danger to others, an emergency evaluation under Section 12 applies. 1]

  • Initiating an Emergency Evaluation: While medical professionals or police typically execute a Section 12 directly, families can contact local emergency services or petition a district court for an emergency mental health order. 1, 2]
  • Temporary Evaluation: A Section 12 allows police or medical personnel to transport your spouse to a hospital emergency department or psychiatric facility against their will for a temporary evaluation, which generally lasts up to 3 days (72 hours). 1, 2]
  • Further Action: During those three days, the facility's psychiatrists evaluate your spouse to decide if they meet the threshold for a longer, formal court-ordered commitment or if they can be discharged or treated voluntarily. 1]
Involuntary treatment in Massachusetts

How Involuntary Treatment in Massachusetts Works

Are you wondering what involuntary treatment in Massachusetts looks like? Learn what is is and how the state handles it.

https://newwaverecoverycenter.com/blog/involuntary-treatment-in-massachusetts/

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KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:19

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:16

Oh according to Miss Moneypenny @KellyK2026 you can..

But then again she is heavily invested in jumping to outlandish conclusions in her desire to give neverending support to the child killer.

By confronting you with facts that show that in Massachusetts a spouse can be immediately held against their will? You’re clutching at straws here…

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EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:19

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:18

This is in Massachusetts. If your partner expresses that they are a risk to themselves or others they can be held immediately and against their will.

Section 12: Emergency Mental Health Commitment
If your spouse is experiencing a psychiatric crisis, severe depression, or psychosis where they cannot protect themselves or are a danger to others, an emergency evaluation under Section 12 applies. 1]

  • Initiating an Emergency Evaluation: While medical professionals or police typically execute a Section 12 directly, families can contact local emergency services or petition a district court for an emergency mental health order. 1, 2]
  • Temporary Evaluation: A Section 12 allows police or medical personnel to transport your spouse to a hospital emergency department or psychiatric facility against their will for a temporary evaluation, which generally lasts up to 3 days (72 hours). 1, 2]
  • Further Action: During those three days, the facility's psychiatrists evaluate your spouse to decide if they meet the threshold for a longer, formal court-ordered commitment or if they can be discharged or treated voluntarily. 1]
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So what happened for LC to answer JT as she did? She’s in front of a psychiatrist already, who believed her and didn’t section.

Aluna · Yesterday 20:21

@BruachAbhann

using long-distance, high-profile charity to ignore the immediate suffering of women close to home

Why would you think it meant that? I would have thought it self-explanatory from the sentence:

“I don’t personally indulge misogynist telescopic philanthropy which focuses on the children to the exclusion of LC”

I meant a narrowly directed concern focused solely on the children to the exclusion of their mother. That is the misogyny.

You did try to imply I was misogynist with the following words:

”you are indulging in 'misogynist telescopic philanthropy'”

There is nothing misogynist whatsoever in anything I have said.

As to the claim there’s not sufficient evidence to show she was psychotic - there was plenty of evidence at the trial of psychotic symptoms so either you didn’t bother to follow the evidence or you didn’t realise that’s what they were.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:24

EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:19

So what happened for LC to answer JT as she did? She’s in front of a psychiatrist already, who believed her and didn’t section.

That’s a moot point. The psychiatrist didn’t know that LC had thoughts of harming her children, but her husband and mother did. Therefore they could’ve acted knowing this information. They didn’t for whatever reason.

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