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Ann Widdecombe thread part 3

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LuckyHazelFox · 15/07/2026 07:09

Please proceed

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Lalgarh · 06/10/2026 12:59

It's been described as "stochastic terrorism"

"the use of mass media by public figures to demonize a person or group, raising the statistical probability of ideologically motivated violence by unknown individual actors while maintaining plausible deniability".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism

Stochastic terrorism - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism

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LuckyHazelFox · 06/10/2026 13:04

Lalgarh · 06/10/2026 12:59

It's been described as "stochastic terrorism"

"the use of mass media by public figures to demonize a person or group, raising the statistical probability of ideologically motivated violence by unknown individual actors while maintaining plausible deniability".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism

Jesus.

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KittyWilkinson · 06/10/2026 13:18

So there's a term for it? It makes a lot of sense. We see it again and again.

MaturingCheeseball · 06/10/2026 17:27

It doesn’t surprise me. Using lone wolves to commit murder or assassinations through suggestion and encouragement is a bullseye for any bad actor.

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LuckyHazelFox · 07/10/2026 16:03

Lalgarh · 07/10/2026 14:43

Suspect in court today

https://news.sky.com/story/widdecombe-murder-suspect-joshua-kerry-appears-in-court-over-farage-terror-charge-13595798

Thanks for the update. He's been a very busy man.

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LuckyHazelFox · 08/10/2026 21:47

Lalgarh · 08/10/2026 21:44

Hit list said to include Kemi Badenoch and Rosie Duffield

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2108245491112652996

Oh what a surprise. Poor little lamb so scared of strong women.

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Lalgarh · 08/10/2026 22:00

And Tom Tugendhat, who was a reservist and intelligence officer.

Do we think that given these revelations the security services are actually starting to take these lone nutter terrorists seriously now?

Babyboomtastic · 09/10/2026 00:47

I put the names into chat gtp and asked them to find issues that they all had common views on, and the only one out came up with was gender issues...

I'm not saying it's right obviously, but interesting that there's no other obvious common ground.

Chersfrozenface · 09/10/2026 06:12

Babyboomtastic · 09/10/2026 00:47

I put the names into chat gtp and asked them to find issues that they all had common views on, and the only one out came up with was gender issues...

I'm not saying it's right obviously, but interesting that there's no other obvious common ground.

Quite a few comments on the Politics UK Twix run along the same lines.

NoWordForFluffy · 09/10/2026 07:31

Babyboomtastic · 09/10/2026 00:47

I put the names into chat gtp and asked them to find issues that they all had common views on, and the only one out came up with was gender issues...

I'm not saying it's right obviously, but interesting that there's no other obvious common ground.

I knew you would say this before I read it, as I can't imagine Rosie and Kemi having much else in common.

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LuckyHazelFox · 09/10/2026 08:30

Lalgarh · 08/10/2026 22:00

And Tom Tugendhat, who was a reservist and intelligence officer.

Do we think that given these revelations the security services are actually starting to take these lone nutter terrorists seriously now?

Glad you call them terrorists because that's exactly what they are. Leftie loon Omnicause twats. Tantrum throwing dickheads. You must think like me, or else ...

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Chersfrozenface · 09/10/2026 16:51

From the BBC News site today:

'The man accused of murdering Ann Widdecombe had a "particular hostility to Reform", prosecutors alleged on Friday.

They said Joshua Kerry, 28, "had an extreme left wing and/or anti-establishment mindset".

The prosecution also told the Old Bailey Widdecombe's murder had a "terrorist connection" as it was "politically and ideologically motivated"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmkgknz19z7po

Similar coverage on the Metro's site.
https://metro.co.uk/2026/10/09/suspect-ann-widdecombe-murder-nigel-farage-plot-left-wing-terrorist-29696208/amp/

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LuckyHazelFox · 11/10/2026 10:58

Chersfrozenface · 09/10/2026 16:51

From the BBC News site today:

'The man accused of murdering Ann Widdecombe had a "particular hostility to Reform", prosecutors alleged on Friday.

They said Joshua Kerry, 28, "had an extreme left wing and/or anti-establishment mindset".

The prosecution also told the Old Bailey Widdecombe's murder had a "terrorist connection" as it was "politically and ideologically motivated"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmkgknz19z7po

Similar coverage on the Metro's site.
https://metro.co.uk/2026/10/09/suspect-ann-widdecombe-murder-nigel-farage-plot-left-wing-terrorist-29696208/amp/

Terrorists come in all shapes and sizes but terrorists is what they remain. Glad that thing doesn't represent my wing of politics.

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EasternStandard · 20/10/2026 09:07

Chersfrozenface · 09/10/2026 16:51

From the BBC News site today:

'The man accused of murdering Ann Widdecombe had a "particular hostility to Reform", prosecutors alleged on Friday.

They said Joshua Kerry, 28, "had an extreme left wing and/or anti-establishment mindset".

The prosecution also told the Old Bailey Widdecombe's murder had a "terrorist connection" as it was "politically and ideologically motivated"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmkgknz19z7po

Similar coverage on the Metro's site.
https://metro.co.uk/2026/10/09/suspect-ann-widdecombe-murder-nigel-farage-plot-left-wing-terrorist-29696208/amp/

Not surprising. The rhetoric on SM is so heightened it leads to this.

5MinuteArgument · 20/10/2026 09:24

EasternStandard · 20/10/2026 09:07

Not surprising. The rhetoric on SM is so heightened it leads to this.

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Yes, the threat is coming from the far left and Islamists. Anyone saying it's coming from the far right is gaslighting.

MI5 have said that 75% of their casework is Islamist threats.

EasternStandard · 20/10/2026 09:25

5MinuteArgument · 20/10/2026 09:24

Yes, the threat is coming from the far left and Islamists. Anyone saying it's coming from the far right is gaslighting.

MI5 have said that 75% of their casework is Islamist threats.

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It’s stirred on SM, even here, the media and other politicians. It leads to this violence.

MaturingCheeseball · 20/10/2026 09:28

How on earth do you deal with lone mad people radicalised online? I mean any one of us right now could get our anorak on, go out and kill a public figure we disliked - and who could have predicted it?

It is horrible for MPs/politicians; I would be very scared to be in the public eye these days, when any nutter can easily track you down.

5MinuteArgument · 20/10/2026 09:41

MaturingCheeseball · 20/10/2026 09:28

How on earth do you deal with lone mad people radicalised online? I mean any one of us right now could get our anorak on, go out and kill a public figure we disliked - and who could have predicted it?

It is horrible for MPs/politicians; I would be very scared to be in the public eye these days, when any nutter can easily track you down.

Yes, I think security for public figures needs to be increased and paid for. I've heard people say that Farage and co wouldn't be targets if they didn't have obnoxious views. In light of the murder of Ann Widdecombe, that's only going to lead to a chilling affect on free speech where people are afraid of saying anything that goes against the mainstream.

Lalgarh · 20/10/2026 09:42

The stuff going on in France has been explicitly pinned on the ultra left by the French prime minister. The way the BBC report this compared to sky is interesting because sky are mentioning this as undisputed but the BBC and Katya Adler are portraying it as "politicians are saying it's the far left".

When it's a far right incident there is no couching of attribution. Why, it's almost like they cannot logically accept that the hard left, which in the UK would include such nice urbane characters as Michael Rosen, Mark Steele and the late Jeremy Hardy, all lovely middle class men, could find itself alongside black clad men who'd burn down a multimillion euro school named after Nelson Mandela and name check a Jihadist who murdered Jewish schoolchildren in France in 2012

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6d080d1e3l4o

https://news.sky.com/video/who-is-behind-the-protests-in-france-13600777

A young man pushes a trash in a fire during an overflow during the blockade of the Lycee Le Corbusier A Aubervilliers, Ile-de-France, France, October 1, 2026

Fires break out at French schools as students protest nationwide

The French government holds a crisis meeting as demonstrations grow and become violent in places.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6d080d1e3l4o

KerryWeaversSpecs · 20/10/2026 09:43

EasternStandard · 20/10/2026 09:25

It’s stirred on SM, even here, the media and other politicians. It leads to this violence.

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Presumably you report such stirring on MN when you see it? It would be irresponsible not to.

EasternStandard · 20/10/2026 09:46

KerryWeaversSpecs · 20/10/2026 09:43

Presumably you report such stirring on MN when you see it? It would be irresponsible not to.

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It’s rife and embedded generally. It comes from other politicians and backed by the media. It’s up to those at the top to realise what impact their words have.