Ann Widdecombe thread part 3

There's a sort of "be more France" (nudge nudge wink wink) excitement from the Greens in Hackney

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/france-protest-green-party-march-budget-london-b1301859.html

Of course the greens and their ilk (I'm thinking Zarah Sultana of Your Party and ex Labour declaring they they will "take the fuckin lot" from The Rich or whomever it was she was aiming that rallying cry at) will never try to consciously emulate the people looting local stores but they almost certainly will come up with some trite explanation like "voice of the unheard" or "hurt people hurt people" as used by great hope for American democrats Abdul el Sayed to explain away any unsightly violence..like LFI head Melenchon saying he condemns the riots but.....

' * Paul Mason has pointed out that appropriation of assets without compensation would actually now be against the Human Rights legislation in force across Europe but they all just muttered about him being a capitalist Zionist and stuff

There's a sort of "be more France" (nudge nudge wink wink) excitement from the Greens in Hackney

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/france-protest-green-party-march-budget-london-b1301859.html

Of course the greens and their ilk (I'm thinking Zarah Sultana of Your Party and ex Labour declaring they they will "take the fuckin lot" from The Rich or whomever it was she was aiming that rallying cry at) will never try to consciously emulate the people looting local stores but they almost certainly will come up with some trite explanation like "voice of the unheard" or "hurt people hurt people" as used by great hope for American democrats Abdul el Sayed to explain away any unsightly violence..like LFI head Melenchon saying he condemns the riots but.....

' * Paul Mason has pointed out that appropriation of assets without compensation would actually now be against the Human Rights legislation in force across Europe but they all just muttered about him being a capitalist Zionist and stuff

FB and X are horrible and really are full of bots. Very few hate posts get removed.

I didn't see jubilation on MN; I did see it on FB.

It doesn't help with the whipped up hysteria around certain MPs like Farage. You only have to look on here to see he's mentioned every day

Discussing Farage is "hysteria"? Of course he is mentioned on here every day on political threads, along with Badenoch and Burnham.

I find it very concerning that posters on MN seem almost to be hoping for unrest in the UK. I think they will be disappointed.

I believe if Farage was killed, there would be jubilation but that's where we are at

The majority of people don't want political violence, so I think you are wrong in the main. There was no jubilation on MN when Ann Widdecombe was murdered, was there?

Thread derail again, but it's now being reported that Australian MP Helen Haines has had to have both legs amputated

Yep, can't argue with any of that, as a Tory.

Thread derail again, but it's now being reported that Australian MP Helen Haines has had to have both legs amputated

I don't see much discrediting of Badenoch? Criticism yes.

As for Farage, he discredits himself. Same goes for Reform as a whole. Its representatives discredit themselves and the party.

I've always considered myself to be centre-left-wing if that makes any sense.

For many years I've held the belief that extreme left-wing and extreme right-wing are no different from one another.

My dad came from a country that suffered under fascists and then under people who called themselves communists. The communists at least provided free health care (to an extent) and universal education.

However, the brutality was there under both - though the communists made more of an effort to hide it - and in both cases, those at the top expended their efforts on staying at the top, building a personality cult and using that to control people.

I'm blethering on in this way to underline that I don't support Reform in any way and I think that Anne Widdecombe was misguided in allying herself with them - and I can't recall agreeing with her political views when she was a Conservative.

But - my God - she didn't deserve what happened to her and I find her death upsetting. Part of it is probably because I can relate to her, being an older woman living on my own now.

Those thugs calling themselves 'left-wing' and claiming to defend the weak are no bloody different from the blackshirts.

I don't know what we do about it and I'm hesitating even to post on here since I'm aware of how inarticulate I'm being.

I'll confess that I'm one of those who laughed when Farage had milkshake thrown over him. I was wrong.

I cannot stand the man - I really cannot. The problem is that the liquid could have been anything and if we justify doing that to Farage, we're justifying the ill treatment of and violence towards politicians in general.

I remember the furore when Prescott punched the arsehole who threw the egg at him. I recall watching the footage with my parents and my mum saying "When he felt the egg trickling down his face, he must have thought it was blood," and I'm convinced that she was right.

When Blair made his "Oh, it was just John..." comment, he was being a coward. Prescott had every right to defend himself from assault.

Right. I'm going to shut up now. I'm just very upset about what happened to Anne Widdecombe and now to the Australian lady.

Do you think the online rhetoric is fine as is wrt non Labour parties? Would you change any of it or is it all fine in your view.

Even if it leads to violence, as we’ve seen with Ann Widdecombe

If you are talking about the Holborn and St Pancras incident, the canvassers in that case were Restore not Reform.

No but the intolerance is. Shouting down/attacking and telling canvassers to get out of constituencies is one shining example.

The party gets more scrutiny than the others combined. If it was going to fold up it would have done so by now. They remain a legitimate political option and no amount of fascism is going to change that - even murdering its members.

I don't see much discrediting of Badenoch? Criticism yes.

As for Farage, he discredits himself. Same goes for Reform as a whole. Its representatives discredit themselves and the party.

Yes, the establishment including the government and BBC want anyone on the right of politics shut down. They do everything in their power to discredit them.