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DS has been uninvited from a sleepover and I don’t know what to tell him

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TryingNotToMakeItWorse · Today 15:19

DS is in year 6, 10 but turns 11 next month. One of his closest friends is having a sleepover next weekend for her birthday and invited him along with 5 other girls. He’s the only boy.

He’s always got on better with girls really. He’s got a couple of boy mates but theyre more school friends if that makes sense, whereas the girls are who he actually wants to spend time with outside school. He’s been friends with this particular girl since year 3 and they’ve been to each others houses loads of times, so it’s not like they’ve only just started hanging about together.

Anyway he was invited last week. They were going to have pizza, watch films and all sleep in the living room.

Yesterday the mum messaged me saying she’d had a conversation with one of the other mums who wasnt comfortable with her DD staying overnight if a boy was there. Apparently she’d not really thought about it before but had decided she was going to make it girls only after all. So DS is no longer invited.

I do understand that its her house and she can have whatever rules she wants but I feel really uncomfortable about the way its happened. He was invited and now he’s been dropped because another parent has an issue with it. The birthday girl apparently still wants him there and they’ve not fallen out or anything.

I havent told him yet because I honestly dont know how to explain it without him thinking she’s changed her mind about being his friend. He doesnt get invited to that many sleepovers and he was genuinely excited about this one.

Part of me thinks I should just say the plans have changed and leave it at that, but then he’s going to find out at school when the other girls talk about it.

Would you tell him the actual reason or keep it vague? And would you say anything to the mum or just leave it now?

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WonderingWanda · Today 16:16

I think the mother of the sleepover has handled this badly. If they were on a y6 residential they would have separate bathrooms a dormitories and I think that's absolutely fine. In this case where everyone had already been invited it might've been better to make the whole event a non sleepover. Not sure what she was thinking having a mixed sleepover to be honest.

Anyway, it's done and you should just tell your son the truth and say that girls often go through puberty earlier than the boys so it's no longer appropriate, sleepover friend's Mum should've realised that before inviting you but no big deal, I will pick you up at 11pm.

TheLastSilverSaint · Today 16:17

Completeme · Today 16:10

I absolutely would not have my daughter at a mixed sleepover.

She has sleepovers with her best boy buddy - they’ve known each other since birth. But school friends? No way.

Why do you think her ‘boy buddy’ is OK but not her other male friends, though? Just because they’ve known each other a long time, that doesn’t mean they don’t have the same kinds of feelings at puberty as school friends might have.

To be honest it’s far less likely that anything will happen at a group sleepover. If anything’s going to happen it’s more likely to happen between two kids left alone.

Lacksie · Today 16:17

OldPyjamas · Today 16:15

I don’t have girls, but if I did, I think I’d be questioning the overall judgement of any parent who thinks this is ok

I agree. I have 2 girls and it wouldn't be ok with me.

I have multiple girls and as long as they were cool with it I would give a toss

MintTwirl · Today 16:17

Just realised I didn’t actually answer your question, Tell him the truth and it’s easy to use other situations such as school trips and scout camps where boys and girls sleep separately. Tell him you will try to organise a celebration with his friend on a different day.

TeenToTwenties · Today 16:18

PinkHibiscusFlowers · Today 16:14

If Ava’s mum is the only one that’s “uncomfortable” then surely she should be the one telling Ava she can’t go?
This is shit on your son to miss out because of that Mum

Not if Ava's mum raised it with the party host, and party host realised that actually yes maybe it was inappropriate and/or discussed with other Mum's and realised this.

It is better to stop these things too soon than too late.

Would @StepAwayFromGoogling be happy with mixed sex sleepovers at say 13? If no then we are just discussing the age to stop. If yes then they are so far off the same page as me as to be in a different library so we would have no common ground on this topic.

Gengha · Today 16:18

Sizzlingsnowdrop · Today 16:12

You sound like the Mums of boys who were brought into the changing room at the health club I used to go to. Communal changing only and I’d have to stand there with some 8 or 9 year old staring at me. To be fair, my parent said the same happened in the mens so they’d go home without showering sometimes as they were afraid of being accused of exposing themselves.

Kids look at what is different. doesn’t mean they will be a pervert when older. Doesn’t mean a mixed sex sleepover is ok. So many examples of this not happening - scouts, school trips, changing for PE at school, advise on use of changing rooms (not that David Lloyd bothered to uphold this), council
house bedroom allocation 10 plus…

I think parents who think their child is
different are naive and dangerous. Some kibbutz tried this in misguided attempts to create equality but it’s not equality it’s endangering children and it’s primarily girls who are most vulnerable -and I say this as a boy only mum.

Well said I have only boys too and I completely agree. I may be old now but I still remember what I was like around boys as a child I only had a sister as did all my friends, I had no men in my life other than my dad and I didn’t like boys and was uncomfortable round them. Not saying that was ideal either but it is how it was.

StepAwayFromGoogling · Today 16:18

Lacksie · Today 16:17

I have multiple girls and as long as they were cool with it I would give a toss

Same. And age 10. Honestly, mental.

TeenToTwenties · Today 16:19

Lacksie · Today 16:17

I have multiple girls and as long as they were cool with it I would give a toss

Though to be fair, by girls you may mean what other people refer to as boys, so who knows.

EgregiouslyOverdressed · Today 16:19

It's really unfortunate that no-one thought of this sooner and that you are now in a situation where your son has been uninvited but the principle is sound and I don't really know why posters are being contrary about it. A mixed sex sleepover is not appropriate in year 6 or older.

TryingNotToMakeItWorse · Today 16:19

Completeme · Today 16:16

Oh give over. He doesn’t understand that boys and girls are different and what is and isn’t appropriate? If this is truly the case please speak to him about consent and boundaries asap ffs

I didnt say he doesnt understand the difference between boys and girls??

I meant I dont think he’ll understand why he’s been allowed at other sleepovers with girls but suddenly not this one when nothing has happened between them and he was invited in the first place. He’s not going to look at it from an adults point of view, he’s just going to be upset that he’s been uninvited from something he was looking forward to with his friends. Thats what I meant.

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Poplife2 · Today 16:19

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StepAwayFromGoogling · Today 16:20

TeenToTwenties · Today 16:18

Not if Ava's mum raised it with the party host, and party host realised that actually yes maybe it was inappropriate and/or discussed with other Mum's and realised this.

It is better to stop these things too soon than too late.

Would @StepAwayFromGoogling be happy with mixed sex sleepovers at say 13? If no then we are just discussing the age to stop. If yes then they are so far off the same page as me as to be in a different library so we would have no common ground on this topic.

Well, no, they're well into puberty at 13. Girls and boys WILL be sexually attracted to each other by then. At 10? No.

JenRummy · Today 16:20

Could you host your own sleepover soon minus Ava?

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Gengha · Today 16:20

pinkyredrose · Today 16:09

If the girl's mum isn't comfortable she should pull her daughter out not expect you to pull your son out.

Has the girl’s mum expected that though? Surely party girl’s mum could have uninvited that girl and the boy could have come. It sounds more like the party mum has understandably had a change of heart, after the other mum raised it

SevenYellowHammers · Today 16:21

TryingNotToMakeItWorse · Today 15:19

DS is in year 6, 10 but turns 11 next month. One of his closest friends is having a sleepover next weekend for her birthday and invited him along with 5 other girls. He’s the only boy.

He’s always got on better with girls really. He’s got a couple of boy mates but theyre more school friends if that makes sense, whereas the girls are who he actually wants to spend time with outside school. He’s been friends with this particular girl since year 3 and they’ve been to each others houses loads of times, so it’s not like they’ve only just started hanging about together.

Anyway he was invited last week. They were going to have pizza, watch films and all sleep in the living room.

Yesterday the mum messaged me saying she’d had a conversation with one of the other mums who wasnt comfortable with her DD staying overnight if a boy was there. Apparently she’d not really thought about it before but had decided she was going to make it girls only after all. So DS is no longer invited.

I do understand that its her house and she can have whatever rules she wants but I feel really uncomfortable about the way its happened. He was invited and now he’s been dropped because another parent has an issue with it. The birthday girl apparently still wants him there and they’ve not fallen out or anything.

I havent told him yet because I honestly dont know how to explain it without him thinking she’s changed her mind about being his friend. He doesnt get invited to that many sleepovers and he was genuinely excited about this one.

Part of me thinks I should just say the plans have changed and leave it at that, but then he’s going to find out at school when the other girls talk about it.

Would you tell him the actual reason or keep it vague? And would you say anything to the mum or just leave it now?

Just tell him that when children start to grow up boys and girls have separate sleepovers and it’s a sign that they’re becoming big boys and girls. Say that birthday girl’s mum forgot this but now she’s remembered so DS can’t go to sleepover. To make up for it, you’re going to taken him on a treat that night and birthday girl will come over one day for a special tea. Sell it as a rite of passage.

Poplife2 · Today 16:21

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Gengha · Today 16:22

TryingNotToMakeItWorse · Today 16:19

I didnt say he doesnt understand the difference between boys and girls??

I meant I dont think he’ll understand why he’s been allowed at other sleepovers with girls but suddenly not this one when nothing has happened between them and he was invited in the first place. He’s not going to look at it from an adults point of view, he’s just going to be upset that he’s been uninvited from something he was looking forward to with his friends. Thats what I meant.

This is your job as a parent to explain and manage. yes he’ll be upset but he’ll be upset about lots of things in his life, same as me, you and everyone else on the planet. Upsetting things happen. You can’t shield your child from them all but you can give him strategies to cope.

BananaPeels · Today 16:23

It’s tricky this age. I think at age 10 I would have been ok with it if I know the girls and the parents who were supervising. But perhaps after this one I think we’d agree to stop.

the best way around these problems is to invite other boys and insist the boys sleep on one room and girls in another and they are supervised so they go to sleep when told. that way everyone is happy and no one excluded.

GintyMcGinty · Today 16:24

That’s a shame and unnecessary for age 11.

Bit you need to tell him the truth.

StepAwayFromGoogling · Today 16:24

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Birthday girl hasn't said she'd prefer the girl there more, though?

ISpyNoPlumPie · Today 16:24

StepAwayFromGoogling · Today 16:16

It's not 'sad', it's assuming a 10 year old boy is likely to be an abuser of 10 year old girls. The underlying assumptions here are horrible.

That’s your underlying assumption.

StepAwayFromGoogling · Today 16:25

ISpyNoPlumPie · Today 16:24

That’s your underlying assumption.

Er. No. Mine is the opposite of that.

Charlenedickens · Today 16:25

Is there maybe bigger issues here if he can’t understand this at nearly 11. Are you sure that’s rhe case, or is it maybe your assumption and you baby him?

at 11 you can say one of fne mums is uncomfortable with a boy being there, so it’s been made girl only, all tne girls are really upset you can’t come but Jane will organise something else with you,

if this is really he doesn’t understand why girls and boys can’t sleep together and the biological differences and how this is an issue, I think maybe enlist the school for some support with him,

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