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DS has been uninvited from a sleepover and I don’t know what to tell him

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TryingNotToMakeItWorse · Today 15:19

DS is in year 6, 10 but turns 11 next month. One of his closest friends is having a sleepover next weekend for her birthday and invited him along with 5 other girls. He’s the only boy.

He’s always got on better with girls really. He’s got a couple of boy mates but theyre more school friends if that makes sense, whereas the girls are who he actually wants to spend time with outside school. He’s been friends with this particular girl since year 3 and they’ve been to each others houses loads of times, so it’s not like they’ve only just started hanging about together.

Anyway he was invited last week. They were going to have pizza, watch films and all sleep in the living room.

Yesterday the mum messaged me saying she’d had a conversation with one of the other mums who wasnt comfortable with her DD staying overnight if a boy was there. Apparently she’d not really thought about it before but had decided she was going to make it girls only after all. So DS is no longer invited.

I do understand that its her house and she can have whatever rules she wants but I feel really uncomfortable about the way its happened. He was invited and now he’s been dropped because another parent has an issue with it. The birthday girl apparently still wants him there and they’ve not fallen out or anything.

I havent told him yet because I honestly dont know how to explain it without him thinking she’s changed her mind about being his friend. He doesnt get invited to that many sleepovers and he was genuinely excited about this one.

Part of me thinks I should just say the plans have changed and leave it at that, but then he’s going to find out at school when the other girls talk about it.

Would you tell him the actual reason or keep it vague? And would you say anything to the mum or just leave it now?

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TokyoSushi · Today 18:12

The actual reason is probably easier to explain than making something up.

Ohhelpwhatnow · Today 18:10

Be very clear when you tell him. You and many other parents think it's fine for 10 year old girls and boys to have a big sleepover together. However some parents think that 10 is too old, and his friend's mum has started to feel embarrassed and decided that she has to make this sleepover girls only.
Add that this kind of thing will probably happen more and more as they all get older. He has done nothing wrong and his friends are still his friends, but he can't go to this particular sleepover. However, he can invite some of his friends for a sleepover next weekend (or whenever) to make up for it. You are very sorry this has happened and sympathise with him being disappointed, but he mustn't take it to heart or think he has done anything bad.

EppingIsFun · Today 18:09

I actually think the other mums are really out of order - both of them. People obviously have different opinions about the mixed sex sleepover at this age. You're fine with it, and host mum was fine with it. Mum of other girl wasn't fine with it. Mum of other girl should have withdrawn her own daughter rather than try to insist another child was uninvited. Host mum should have stuck to the plan given she was clearly comfortable inviting your son.

throughtheseasons · Today 18:09

It is just about managing situations so that dignity and privacy are a given, @Lacksie

After all, in other contexts the assumption isn’t that we’re ashamed of our bodies which is why I did find that a bizarre comment. We’re given gowns to cover up in hospitals, we have single sex toilets and so on.

I don’t look at either of my children and think that either my daughter needs to be ashamed of who she is or that my son is some sort of reprobate who girls need protecting from, but I do think a bit of common sense goes a long way!

BananaPeels · Today 18:09

MCF86 · Today 18:08

How would that help him?
Mum breaking the news means he can feel how he feels without an audience.

Because the other parent created this situation and should be the person to own it. I’m not saying the Op shouldn’t be present but the other parent has created the situation and simply washed her hands of it. I don’t think that right.

MCF86 · Today 18:08

BananaPeels · Today 18:05

Just out of curiosity - why are you being asked to tell your child? Why isn’t the girl having the sleepover telling them or the other parent? I am not sure why you have been put in the middle of this. The other parent is the person responsible for this situation and should be the person to tell your son with your present.

How would that help him?
Mum breaking the news means he can feel how he feels without an audience.

JulietteRoche · Today 18:07

Easytorecall · Today 15:25

The girl in question is no doubt the birthday girl’s best friend hence the priority

You don't know that at all.

BananaPeels · Today 18:05

Just out of curiosity - why are you being asked to tell your child? Why isn’t the girl having the sleepover telling them or the other parent? I am not sure why you have been put in the middle of this. The other parent is the person responsible for this situation and should be the person to tell your son with your present.

TeenToTwenties · Today 18:04

Lacksie · Today 18:01

This idea that we need (as adults) to preserve the privacy and dignity out of little girls- specifically privacy from boys , even if they don't feel embarrassed or private themselves , the boys are their close friends, and/ or there's nothing sexual going on at all. It honestly feels like narratives in cultural contexts where little girls are encouraged to cover their bodies in public to protect their privacy/ dignity/ honour/ virginity. It's really gross, in the messages it sends about gender, sex and sexuality, especially when you are applying this to 10 year old children.

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Not little girls. Girls going through puberty.

But you know that, you are just trying to breakdown safeguarding and the rights of people to safety, privacy and dignity. Again

Lacksie · Today 18:01

throughtheseasons · Today 17:56

How the actual hell did you extrapolate THAT? 😂

This idea that we need (as adults) to preserve the privacy and dignity out of little girls- specifically privacy from boys , even if they don't feel embarrassed or private themselves , the boys are their close friends, and/ or there's nothing sexual going on at all. It honestly feels like narratives in cultural contexts where little girls are encouraged to cover their bodies in public to protect their privacy/ dignity/ honour/ virginity. It's really gross, in the messages it sends about gender, sex and sexuality, especially when you are applying this to 10 year old children.

throughtheseasons · Today 17:56

Lacksie · Today 17:55

So we need to teach all our little girls that they should feel ashamed about their bodies even if they don't, and they need protecting from the prying eyes of boys because that's the natural order of things. Right -o.

How the actual hell did you extrapolate THAT? 😂

Lacksie · Today 17:55

throughtheseasons · Today 17:52

It doesn’t matter if he’s respectful and mindful of their privacy and if they are not bothered in the slightest.

It matters because we are the adults and we make decisions in all of their interests. It’s not doing anybody any favours to pretend that sleepovers with mixed sex children are just innocent fun.

Allowing children the opportunity to do the right or wrong thing in such a serious area one is doing neither the boy or the girls any real favours.

Life with children can be involve innocent fun. Have parties and play, fun and games, jokes and japes. Just not naked, or inappropriateness, or inappropriately dressed, not sexualised and ideally (in my book) not in the same bed or same room on a regular basis after a certain age. Teaching children privacy doesn't mean they lose their innocence, if anything it may mean they can retain it longer, IMHO.

So we need to teach all our little girls that they should feel ashamed about their bodies even if they don't, and they need protecting from the prying eyes of boys because that's the natural order of things. Right -o.

throughtheseasons · Today 17:52

saraclara · Today 17:46

So now he's "a little boy"?

You need to make your mind up.

Also we have no reason to think that the other parent's daughter was uncomfortable/scared. Just that the mother didn't like the idea. We're told that the girls were all really excited about the sleepover.

It doesn’t matter if he’s respectful and mindful of their privacy and if they are not bothered in the slightest.

It matters because we are the adults and we make decisions in all of their interests. It’s not doing anybody any favours to pretend that sleepovers with mixed sex children are just innocent fun.

Allowing children the opportunity to do the right or wrong thing in such a serious area one is doing neither the boy or the girls any real favours.

Life with children can be involve innocent fun. Have parties and play, fun and games, jokes and japes. Just not naked, or inappropriateness, or inappropriately dressed, not sexualised and ideally (in my book) not in the same bed or same room on a regular basis after a certain age. Teaching children privacy doesn't mean they lose their innocence, if anything it may mean they can retain it longer, IMHO.

Genevieva · Today 17:48

Can’t he go for pizza and then come home? Or sleep upstairs? He’s 10 not 16.

OrdinaryGirl · Today 17:46

Redflagsabounded · Today 15:26

I would tell him the real reason - it's no longer appropriate for boys/girls to have mixed sex sleepovers at this age, it's not personal to him and he's done nothing wrong, but it's a decision the adults have made. Tell him you are sorry the decision was made after he was invited but it would have been the same result if the adults had thought about it in time. That you know he feels disappointed but it's part of growing up.

Don't make anyone the villain here. It's actually the right decision.

Fully agree with @Redflagsabounded

Nomura · Today 17:46

Easytorecall · Today 15:25

The girl in question is no doubt the birthday girl’s best friend hence the priority

I think we can all understand that as the dc get older, having sleepovers with the opposite sex will cause issues if not for OP, with other parents. Kids 10 going on 11 are going through puberty, but thats no reason for you to make things up to be spiteful. Nothing in the OP says the other girl is 'best friends' with the birthday girl, inferring OPs DS is not and therefore less relevant. Shame on you.

saraclara · Today 17:46

butterfliesandrainbows2022 · Today 16:34

Its not about anything he might do, its about a little girl feeling comfortable to be around a little boy in her PJ's

So now he's "a little boy"?

You need to make your mind up.

Also we have no reason to think that the other parent's daughter was uncomfortable/scared. Just that the mother didn't like the idea. We're told that the girls were all really excited about the sleepover.

budgiegirl · Today 17:46

StepAwayFromGoogling · Today 16:02

So? The OPs 10 year old won't be able to help himself staring at breasts through pyjamas? Or asking about periods? Seriously?

To think that this won’t happen is naive at best. As a cub leader, I’ve had parents of boys approach me to make sure that their sons will not be sharing with girls. One parent explained that their son was going through puberty and was absolutely obsessed with girls bodies.

Unless all parents are happy with the situation then there shouldn’t be any mixed sleepovers from about 8 or 9 upwards

Hoardasurass · Today 17:45

TryingNotToMakeItWorse · Today 16:19

I didnt say he doesnt understand the difference between boys and girls??

I meant I dont think he’ll understand why he’s been allowed at other sleepovers with girls but suddenly not this one when nothing has happened between them and he was invited in the first place. He’s not going to look at it from an adults point of view, he’s just going to be upset that he’s been uninvited from something he was looking forward to with his friends. Thats what I meant.

The thing is he likely won't be having anymore mixed sex sleepovers as the girls will be hitting puberty assuming that they haven't already and he will be all too soon aswell and its just not appropriate anymore and you need to explain that to him along the lines of separate changing facilities and sleeping arrangements for school trips, holiday camps or scouts etc.

AstonCanKissMyArse · Today 17:34

TryingNotToMakeItWorse · Today 16:19

I didnt say he doesnt understand the difference between boys and girls??

I meant I dont think he’ll understand why he’s been allowed at other sleepovers with girls but suddenly not this one when nothing has happened between them and he was invited in the first place. He’s not going to look at it from an adults point of view, he’s just going to be upset that he’s been uninvited from something he was looking forward to with his friends. Thats what I meant.

Its sad for him that he was invited then uninvited. Its not been handled well.

But things are changing and they are growing up. You say he knows the difference between boys and girls, but then that he can't be expected to understand why its not appropriate for him to be there. He must surely know this wasnt going to continue until they were all grown up? Mixed sleep over come to an end sooner or later (usually much sooner than this).

They can still all be friends.

The best thing for him that you can do now is to support the girl's mum's decision. Explain why girls might want privacy - and they should be given it as a matter of course, not only if one of them is brave enough to ask for it. Explain that its not about him, he done nothing wrong.

Your reaction to all this can help normalise this for him and help him grow into a respectful man.

Not one who feels entitled to put his wants above women's wishes.

Somedayitwillclick · Today 17:33

TryingNotToMakeItWorse · Today 16:19

I didnt say he doesnt understand the difference between boys and girls??

I meant I dont think he’ll understand why he’s been allowed at other sleepovers with girls but suddenly not this one when nothing has happened between them and he was invited in the first place. He’s not going to look at it from an adults point of view, he’s just going to be upset that he’s been uninvited from something he was looking forward to with his friends. Thats what I meant.

But he is growing up now and surely you can see why it’s not really appropriate for him to be sharing sleeping arrangements with girls? Some of them will have started getting periods and breasts. You son I am also assuming has started developing and having hormonal boy reactions to things. My so is the same age and I would not let him sleep over with girls now

Branwellgirl · Today 17:31

Just tell him the truth. One of the attendees will, at some point I imagine.

gardenflowergirl · Today 17:29

I would have a conversation with him about puberty about how bodies change and that girls bodies change years earlier with periods etc and so girls need more privacy at this age due to this. So there won't be mixed sex sleepovers now.

MeridaBrave · Today 17:27

Can yon ask the mum if he can stay until 10ish? Then Would be easy to explain that one of the mums thought best if only girls staying over.

AstonCanKissMyArse · Today 17:24

StepAwayFromGoogling · Today 16:02

So? The OPs 10 year old won't be able to help himself staring at breasts through pyjamas? Or asking about periods? Seriously?

Its not about him 🙄

Its about what the other girls feel comfortable with. All the other guests aren't besties with him.

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