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DP has invited his ex wife for Christmas dinner and says I’m being petty

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IcyPortal · Yesterday 19:29

Me and DP are having a bit of an argument about Christmas and I’m starting to wonder if I’m being unreasonable here.

We’ve been together 3 years and live together. I have a DS13 and DD8 from my previous relationship and he has two DDs, 15 and 10, from his marriage. His girls are with us alternate weekends and some of the school holidays. They are coming to us Christmas Eve and staying until Boxing Day this year.

We’d agreed we would have everyone here for Christmas dinner. His brother and my sister were invited as well, so its already going to be quite a full house. I don’t mind that, I like having people round for Christmas and the kids all get on well enough. I am the one who does most of the organising though, sorting food, presents, making sure everyone has got what they need etc. DP will help if I ask him but he isn’t the sort to think ahead about things.

Anyway a few days ago he mentioned that his ex wife would be coming for Christmas dinner as well. I actually thought he was joking at first and said what do you mean coming for dinner? Apparently he’d invited her because she would otherwise be on her own.

For context she has recently split up with her boyfriend and doesn’t have much family nearby. I do feel sorry for her in that respect and I’m not saying she should have to sit on her own all day if there is another option. But DP had already invited her before even mentioning it to me. I had no idea he was planning this and we hadn’t discussed it at all.

He said he thought it was the right thing to do and the girls would be happy having both their parents there. Which they are, his eldest especially was really pleased when she found out. I haven’t said anything to them about it and wouldn’t want to spoil their Christmas or make them feel like they have to choose between us.

But I don’t really understand why he couldn’t have asked me first? It’s my home as well and I’m going to be doing most of the work on the day. I finish work late on Christmas Eve so there is already going to be a lot to get sorted in a short space of time. I know having one extra person isn’t the end of the world but it isn’t really about the food or having enough chairs. I just feel like he’s made a decision that affects all of us and told me afterwards as though it’s already settled.

When I said I wasn’t comfortable with it he got quite annoyed and said I was being petty and making something nice into an issue. He said it was for the children. I said that I wasn’t stopping his girls seeing their mum. They could see her earlier in the day or he could take them to see her, or she could come over for a bit. I just hadn’t agreed to having her here for the whole dinner.

He then said it would be awkward if she only came for an hour and that the girls wanted her there. I do get that. They are old enough to understand their parents aren’t together but obviously it would be nice for them to have a Christmas where everyone can be in the same room and get along. I am not trying to make things difficult for them.

I don’t think she has done anything wrong either. We are civil when we see each other but we aren’t friends and we don’t socialise together. She’s never been rude to me and I have no reason to think anything is going on between them. They were married for a long time and have children together so obviously they will always have a connection. I’m not asking him to cut her out of their lives.

It is just that he does sometimes agree to things with her or the girls and then tell me afterwards. Usually it’s small things and I let it go, but this feels different because Christmas dinner is happening in our house and I’m the one who will be getting everything ready. I feel like if I had invited my ex to spend the day with us without discussing it with him, DP would have something to say about that.

My sister thinks he should have asked me first but says now that the girls are excited I should probably just let it happen. My friend says she wouldn’t have her partner’s ex wife sitting at her Christmas table at all, but I think that’s a bit harsh when she’s recently split up and would be alone otherwise.

I haven’t told DP she can’t come. I just said I wasn’t happy that he had invited her without even asking me, and now he’s acting like I’ve got a problem with his ex when that’s not what I said.

AIBU to think he should have spoken to me before inviting her, or am I making too much of it and should just get on with Christmas?

OP posts:
theearthsayshello · Today 12:36

AppleSally · Today 11:31

Your DP sounds like a kind, lovely man who asked his ex wife for the best possible reasons, and simply didn't think that you would have a problem with it. Of course he should have asked you, but my guess is that he simply didn't think that it would be an issue. He does appear to have the emotional intelligence of a sea slug, but then he isn't the only man who fits that description! I would suggest just going with the flow for now. Make sure he does plenty to help in the run up to, and during, Christmas, and then have a bit of a chat in the New Year, once the dust has settled. Let him know that you need to be involved in decisions about who is being invited to your house, and that you felt rather hurt that he didn't think to discuss this with you before an invitation was issued. In the meantime, Happy Christmas!

Hahahahaha! Found the twat of a husband😆😆😂

TotaleclipseinFrance · Today 12:38

Walkerzoo · Today 11:22

This is perfect. And as time goes by the kids will think this. If to get get their mum, why can't we have dad.... Let's see how this plays out.

Good point.
Bet the twat of a dp here wouldn't be too happy about that. Not that I'd blame him at all but what's good for the goose and all that...

hacnocteequitamus · Today 12:40

@TotaleclipseinFrance

No way will he manage a Christmas. But I’d enjoy sitting with a cheery glass of something watching him try 😇

TotaleclipseinFrance · Today 12:48

hacnocteequitamus · Today 12:40

@TotaleclipseinFrance

No way will he manage a Christmas. But I’d enjoy sitting with a cheery glass of something watching him try 😇

If I was a casual observer I could find amusement in it.
It would drive the OP up the wall, though. 😁

Aluna · Today 12:49

MrsAga · Today 11:08

I think the least petty response now would be “well you’ve put me in an awkward position now, I’ll have to ask DC how they feel & if they’d like to invite their father so they also get both parents for Christmas, you really need to think about these things in a blended family”
he’ll keep walking over you if you just let it go.

Yes that’s genius.

Ligesani · Today 12:58

I don't understand the people saying that op just has to suck it up now, because it's only October so it's perfect to say no this isn't happening and she can just make whatever arrangements she wants to make for Christmas.

I would be saying to DH that not only is it not petty but it doesn't absolute deal breaker and if he will not uninvite his ex then I would do it.

You don't have to be nasty just send her a message asking the lines of "hi x, DP said he had invited you over for Christmas but he didn't discuss it with me first and it's not going to be possible. As it's only October I know you've plenty of time to make your own arrangements and of course you'll want to have the girls over at some point I'm sure. "

And if he kicks off over it I would split up with him because he sounds absolutely awful and very dismissive of you and your feelings and also of your children, so if you're not upset on your own behalf then get upset on your children's behalf because he thinks should spend their Christmas with a completely unrelated woman so his children can have both of their biological parents there but yours can't.

Honestly this would be an absolute line in the sand for me and I would have a massive argument with DH if he did this and thought it was okay.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · Today 12:59

Katastrophyy · Today 10:47

You're his skivvy

You are not an equal in this relationship. You are effectively his (unpaid) employee.
Why don't you get invited to your Ex's celebration with your own DC and leave all the Christmas work and presents to him at your house. Or go on holiday with your DC.

  • He often makes decisions about his DC which involve you, but you are the last to hear.
  • He invited his ex.
  • He told his DC who were thrilled and excited. (so you will be forced to agree
  • He then instructed you that this was happening (whether you like it or not)
  • When you (rightly) said he should have asked you first ,You get labelled "petty" disagreeable, maybe ruining your SDCs xmas. and resentful of his ex, When the reality is that you are OK with his ex, and don't want to disappoint the children...
End game.
  • You are expected to just do whatever he asks.
  • You do all the work
  • He says in a patronising fashion something along the lines of "Christmas is only a dinner" because he seems to do nothing of the organising and has no knowledge of the effort involved.
  • And you are labelled petty etc if you dare to object.

I completely agree with @Katastrophyy - you are indeed his skivvy and this is probably not the first time.
HOUSE PURCHASE. - are the finances as unbalanced as the rest of the work?
How much did you both put into the purchase of the new house Which was bought largely to accommodate his DC.. after he moved into yours?
How fairly are the household finances distributed.
Who pays for all the presents

(you don't have to give details on here.. just raising it for your consideration)

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · Today 13:04

3luckystars · Today 12:29

Your prize for tolerating more and more of this, is your voice disappearing slowly. Count the years go by, celebrate every anniversary, and by the end there is nothing of you left, but the best part of the prize is a snoring sulky man who got his way and doesn’t know you at all.

The best bit is you did it yourself. You are the Tolerater.

@IcyPortal I am afraid there is something in this idea. The worst part of the whole thing to me is that you end up having this imposed on you, doing everything and still get the accusations of being unkind or petty.. its a double win for him. And he won't even understand or think about why. He will just be content that everything is being done to his satisfaction because he sees that as his right ... because, as I said earlier.. he doesn't see you as an equal.

TotaleclipseinFrance · Today 13:07

Ligesani · Today 12:58

I don't understand the people saying that op just has to suck it up now, because it's only October so it's perfect to say no this isn't happening and she can just make whatever arrangements she wants to make for Christmas.

I would be saying to DH that not only is it not petty but it doesn't absolute deal breaker and if he will not uninvite his ex then I would do it.

You don't have to be nasty just send her a message asking the lines of "hi x, DP said he had invited you over for Christmas but he didn't discuss it with me first and it's not going to be possible. As it's only October I know you've plenty of time to make your own arrangements and of course you'll want to have the girls over at some point I'm sure. "

And if he kicks off over it I would split up with him because he sounds absolutely awful and very dismissive of you and your feelings and also of your children, so if you're not upset on your own behalf then get upset on your children's behalf because he thinks should spend their Christmas with a completely unrelated woman so his children can have both of their biological parents there but yours can't.

Honestly this would be an absolute line in the sand for me and I would have a massive argument with DH if he did this and thought it was okay.

Totally agree.
If he's done it as he's still in love with his ex it's over anyway BUT if it is just thoughtlessness this is the way to go.

Just like to add the notion (that seems to have been forgotten here) that being amicable or getting on OK-ish with certain people does NOT equate to wanting to spend an important time of year with them.

There's a ton of people I'm amicable with, I don't want to be with them on Christmas Day.

What's the ex-wife thinking I wonder?
Still hoping to reconnect with the dp here?
Just out to cause mischief?

You surely couldn't have two people who'd think this acceptable?

Allmychickenscometoroost · Today 13:08

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · Today 12:59

You are not an equal in this relationship. You are effectively his (unpaid) employee.
Why don't you get invited to your Ex's celebration with your own DC and leave all the Christmas work and presents to him at your house. Or go on holiday with your DC.

  • He often makes decisions about his DC which involve you, but you are the last to hear.
  • He invited his ex.
  • He told his DC who were thrilled and excited. (so you will be forced to agree
  • He then instructed you that this was happening (whether you like it or not)
  • When you (rightly) said he should have asked you first ,You get labelled "petty" disagreeable, maybe ruining your SDCs xmas. and resentful of his ex, When the reality is that you are OK with his ex, and don't want to disappoint the children...
End game.
  • You are expected to just do whatever he asks.
  • You do all the work
  • He says in a patronising fashion something along the lines of "Christmas is only a dinner" because he seems to do nothing of the organising and has no knowledge of the effort involved.
  • And you are labelled petty etc if you dare to object.

I completely agree with @Katastrophyy - you are indeed his skivvy and this is probably not the first time.
HOUSE PURCHASE. - are the finances as unbalanced as the rest of the work?
How much did you both put into the purchase of the new house Which was bought largely to accommodate his DC.. after he moved into yours?
How fairly are the household finances distributed.
Who pays for all the presents

(you don't have to give details on here.. just raising it for your consideration)

@IcyPortal this is such an excellent post, I hope it gives you some clarity re your entire situation.

You owe it to yourself and your children not to be treated like a second class citizen in your own home any more. He has worn you down so now you avoid arguing to keep the peace.

outerspacepotato · Today 13:25

IcyPortal · Today 10:29

If I’m honest I do most of the day to day stuff. I do the laundry, cooking and most of the cleaning, sorting the kids things out and all that. He does more of the outside bits and will do jobs that need doing around the house, bins, garden etc. He will help if I ask but I tend to be the one who notices what needs doing in the first place if that makes sense.

And now he's the big host having his whole family there at Xmas with you doing the work and you and your kids being the outsiders at their family dinner in your own home.

It sounds like a nightmare. I would tell him he has to get the meal home catered. He buys whatever drinks, he serves unless he pays for the whole full service in home package. If he ordered home delivered, he sets up and breaks down.

Or see if you can go to your sister's.

You've only been with this guy three years and he's already treating you as lesser than and you're the domestic worker. The resentment of his taking you for granted and disrespect and inequity in this relationship will be starting, if it hasn't already, not to mention you're modeling stifling your voice to keep the peace to your kids.

SerafinasGoose · Today 13:33

Ihatelittlefriendsusan · Yesterday 20:15

He shouls have discussed it with you, but honestly, I think he has doen a lovely thing. He clesrly has a decent relationship with his ex and it is a nice thing fornhis kids tongue that their parents can be friends.

My ex and his kids come to mine every Christmas, birthday, Easter, etc. I never discussed it with dh as it had been happening long before we got together so it was just how it was. Ex and dh get on well, ex was at our wedding reception, was invited to the day but he couldnt get the time off work.

We are all family.

Isn't it interesting how a 'nice thing' is so often the precise phrasing used when volunteering another woman's time and labour for free?

The fact that she's his ex isn't wouldn't necessarily annoy me It's that 'D'P has seen fit to treat you like unpaid staff, became combative when you rightly protested, and had the gall to accuse you of being petty. And of course the kids are delighted. Very clever emotional blackmail, because you can't very well renege on it without upsetting the children and 'ruining everyone's Christmas'. You know the protestations before even hearing them. And this alters the picture somewhat. As well as being lazy and a weapons-grade CF, he's also been very manipulative.

I think, in terms of the invitation itself, you've been painted into a corner. Where I would draw the line is in all the work you'd need to do to make it happen. At the very least, the whole lot of you should go to a restaurant or he can roll his sleeves up and does something productive. A memorable phrase from a previous MN Christmas thread springs to mind. A cock and balls doesn't preclude him from peeling some spuds and shoving a fucking turkey into the oven.

Millytante · Today 13:35

IcyPortal · Today 10:29

If I’m honest I do most of the day to day stuff. I do the laundry, cooking and most of the cleaning, sorting the kids things out and all that. He does more of the outside bits and will do jobs that need doing around the house, bins, garden etc. He will help if I ask but I tend to be the one who notices what needs doing in the first place if that makes sense.

Now there’s a surprise

HoppityBun · Today 13:36

TotaleclipseinFrance · Today 12:34

He's not going to turn into a domestic god on the day or on the run up to Christmas. 🙄

Good grief.
It takes months of practice to turn out a half decent roast dinner yet alone upscaling it into a traditional Christmas dinner.
You need muscle memory for this. He sounds fecking useless when it comes to domesticity.

The suggestions that she can make this work to her advantage are really untrue. Irritatingly so.

Shell be doing all the drudgery while at best his ex will feel out of place, wanting to help but unsure, or worse actively enjoying her do the drudgery, or reconnecting with the 'd' p.

The only sensible advice is to get rid of him. He can spend as many cosy Xmas days as he likes with his ex then. Lovely.

There are 68 days and 9 weekends until Christmas Day, according to Google. Plenty of time to practise.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · Today 13:46

SerafinasGoose · Today 13:33

Isn't it interesting how a 'nice thing' is so often the precise phrasing used when volunteering another woman's time and labour for free?

The fact that she's his ex isn't wouldn't necessarily annoy me It's that 'D'P has seen fit to treat you like unpaid staff, became combative when you rightly protested, and had the gall to accuse you of being petty. And of course the kids are delighted. Very clever emotional blackmail, because you can't very well renege on it without upsetting the children and 'ruining everyone's Christmas'. You know the protestations before even hearing them. And this alters the picture somewhat. As well as being lazy and a weapons-grade CF, he's also been very manipulative.

I think, in terms of the invitation itself, you've been painted into a corner. Where I would draw the line is in all the work you'd need to do to make it happen. At the very least, the whole lot of you should go to a restaurant or he can roll his sleeves up and does something productive. A memorable phrase from a previous MN Christmas thread springs to mind. A cock and balls doesn't preclude him from peeling some spuds and shoving a fucking turkey into the oven.

"Isn't it interesting how a 'nice thing' is so often the precise phrasing used when volunteering another woman's time and labour for free?"

Also "a weapons grade CF"

Quotes of the week.

hacnocteequitamus · Today 13:47

I’m nominating this one

A cock and balls doesn't preclude him from peeling some spuds and shoving a fucking turkey into the oven.

SerafinasGoose · Today 13:56

hacnocteequitamus · Today 13:47

I’m nominating this one

A cock and balls doesn't preclude him from peeling some spuds and shoving a fucking turkey into the oven.

Ah thank you gladly but I am afraid I can't claim credit for that one! I don't know which poster uttered those immortal words but they painted a grin on my face for the rest of the day!

TotaleclipseinFrance · Today 13:59

HoppityBun · Today 13:36

There are 68 days and 9 weekends until Christmas Day, according to Google. Plenty of time to practise.

The trouble with 'kick his arse into shape' solutions is that they assume the man is one who is able to he reasoned with.

He clearly is not, thus he will do naff all or moan so loudly if forced to and/ or use weaponisesed incompetence that the OP will take over anyway.

I really hate the idea that a man like this can be trained.

It's obvious that unless the OP puts her put down and politely refuses to have the ex-wife around or do the sensible thing and breaks up with him she'll end up doing it all.

I do try to offer help when somebody else is hosting but more often or not people like to be left alone in their kitchen.

Even if the ex-wife is amenable to helping she'll probably just get in the way.

Jamlighter · Today 14:03

I think you sound very accommodating. I understand why you are angry and he shoudl have consulte dyou and i would make it clear in no uncertain terms that nothing like this must ever happen again. However you are where you are. Given that it appears to be mostly his invitees for dinner you need to make a list of all the jobs and tell him (not ask) which he is doing. Make sure he shares the load on Christmas day as well so he helps with cooking, setting table, serving, clearing up, drinks coffee tea etc etc not just sitting round chatting and drinking with his connections. Also beforehand tell him he has to sort presents for his family, kids and ex wife.

PicaK · Today 14:13

I think the issue of Xmas day is a red herring you. I agree with what you said earlier about him making plans without reference to you. That's what you need to kick up a big stink about. Its not whether his decision is reasonable or not but whether decisions that affect each other are being made as a team.
I remember when my ex suddenly decided to put more money into his pension (when we were married) after a raise. I cried buckets because he didn't consult me and as an agreed sahm that was our income. The number of people who explained pension benefits to me. We divorced a few years later and looking back I see with clarity that he'd stopped viewing me as an equal partner by then.
So im saying your dh needs to understand what most worries you here. Are you a team or not. When can you each make decisions alone and when do you need to consult. Are there times one would have priority. Can this man apologise and admit he was in the wrong to not consult even though it was a good idea.
Dont get sucked into the rights and wrongs of Xmas day.

GrantMyWishes · Today 14:17

Sorry OP, but I think you've allowed him to turn you into a bit of a doormat. Not only do you allow him to get away with doing very little around the place, but now you're prepared to sit back and accept him inviting his ex wife to your house for Christmas dinner without even consulting you, and other than having a moan on here, you seem to have just accepted it, and allowed him to turn you into the bad guy into the bargain.

In your shoes I would tell him that he's welcome to have his ex round for Christmas dinner, but you won't be there to cook it, and then either suggest to your ex that you take your kids to his place and have Christmas Day with him, so that he's not on his own (assuming he doesn't have a partner), OR book Christmas lunch for you and the kids in a hotel. Just to show your DH what being petty REALLY means

I would also be organising myself so that DH has a list of household chores that he's responsible for on a daily basis, as allowing him to sit on his backside throwing out invitations to all and sundry, without even consulting with you, is completely unfair on you, and you're a mug if you continue to accept it.

Daygloboo · Today 14:32

IcyPortal · Yesterday 19:29

Me and DP are having a bit of an argument about Christmas and I’m starting to wonder if I’m being unreasonable here.

We’ve been together 3 years and live together. I have a DS13 and DD8 from my previous relationship and he has two DDs, 15 and 10, from his marriage. His girls are with us alternate weekends and some of the school holidays. They are coming to us Christmas Eve and staying until Boxing Day this year.

We’d agreed we would have everyone here for Christmas dinner. His brother and my sister were invited as well, so its already going to be quite a full house. I don’t mind that, I like having people round for Christmas and the kids all get on well enough. I am the one who does most of the organising though, sorting food, presents, making sure everyone has got what they need etc. DP will help if I ask him but he isn’t the sort to think ahead about things.

Anyway a few days ago he mentioned that his ex wife would be coming for Christmas dinner as well. I actually thought he was joking at first and said what do you mean coming for dinner? Apparently he’d invited her because she would otherwise be on her own.

For context she has recently split up with her boyfriend and doesn’t have much family nearby. I do feel sorry for her in that respect and I’m not saying she should have to sit on her own all day if there is another option. But DP had already invited her before even mentioning it to me. I had no idea he was planning this and we hadn’t discussed it at all.

He said he thought it was the right thing to do and the girls would be happy having both their parents there. Which they are, his eldest especially was really pleased when she found out. I haven’t said anything to them about it and wouldn’t want to spoil their Christmas or make them feel like they have to choose between us.

But I don’t really understand why he couldn’t have asked me first? It’s my home as well and I’m going to be doing most of the work on the day. I finish work late on Christmas Eve so there is already going to be a lot to get sorted in a short space of time. I know having one extra person isn’t the end of the world but it isn’t really about the food or having enough chairs. I just feel like he’s made a decision that affects all of us and told me afterwards as though it’s already settled.

When I said I wasn’t comfortable with it he got quite annoyed and said I was being petty and making something nice into an issue. He said it was for the children. I said that I wasn’t stopping his girls seeing their mum. They could see her earlier in the day or he could take them to see her, or she could come over for a bit. I just hadn’t agreed to having her here for the whole dinner.

He then said it would be awkward if she only came for an hour and that the girls wanted her there. I do get that. They are old enough to understand their parents aren’t together but obviously it would be nice for them to have a Christmas where everyone can be in the same room and get along. I am not trying to make things difficult for them.

I don’t think she has done anything wrong either. We are civil when we see each other but we aren’t friends and we don’t socialise together. She’s never been rude to me and I have no reason to think anything is going on between them. They were married for a long time and have children together so obviously they will always have a connection. I’m not asking him to cut her out of their lives.

It is just that he does sometimes agree to things with her or the girls and then tell me afterwards. Usually it’s small things and I let it go, but this feels different because Christmas dinner is happening in our house and I’m the one who will be getting everything ready. I feel like if I had invited my ex to spend the day with us without discussing it with him, DP would have something to say about that.

My sister thinks he should have asked me first but says now that the girls are excited I should probably just let it happen. My friend says she wouldn’t have her partner’s ex wife sitting at her Christmas table at all, but I think that’s a bit harsh when she’s recently split up and would be alone otherwise.

I haven’t told DP she can’t come. I just said I wasn’t happy that he had invited her without even asking me, and now he’s acting like I’ve got a problem with his ex when that’s not what I said.

AIBU to think he should have spoken to me before inviting her, or am I making too much of it and should just get on with Christmas?

Make the best of it but make hom take you away on a luxury long weekend in january

Happysnappydays · Today 14:41

I think I would spend Christmas Day sharing notes with his ex, à la Taylor Swift's "Patient zero"

TotaleclipseinFrance · Today 14:44

Daygloboo · Today 14:32

Make the best of it but make hom take you away on a luxury long weekend in january

Make him take you away for a long weekend...

Give him a list of chores...

Make him do the cooking...

None- NONE!! - of this works with a man like OP's dp.

Some posters are offering solutions to a problem that a man who would do these suggested things wouldn't have created in the first place!!

As if a man who is willing to spoil his partner with luxury breaks away and/or do his fair share of chores would even dream of inviting his ex around for Xmas let alone not consuiting her over it!!

He's clearly a fecking arsehole she needs to be rid of.

hacnocteequitamus · Today 14:47

I wonder if his kids will think that this will be a ‘thing’ and expect it every Christmas?

I think you are going to be the bad guy if you do or if you don’t. It has the potential to ripple.

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