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Mamma1383838 · Yesterday 15:14

Friend did a massive favour for me a while back. It didn’t cost them anything, but it saved me thousands. At the time we didn’t have much so I bought a small gift as thanks.

They recently asked me to lend them a significant sum of money, repaying over a long time period. It’s a lot, more than we‘d want to give away, but we could afford to lose the sum now if it came to it. I don’t want to mix friendship and money but I want to help. It’s for a nice to have rather than for something essential.

Would you lend them the money? Curious as I know the general advice here is not to.

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TheSunIsAlwaysThere · Yesterday 16:11

Since they will be taking from your children if they don't pay back, that would be a no for me. Kids first always.

ACynicalDad · Yesterday 16:11

can you offer them a smaller amount, say half of it?

Mamma1383838 · Yesterday 16:11

Coconutter24 · Yesterday 16:10

So you want to help and your DH is open to lending the money, so if you’re both happy to lend it then why don’t you?

Probably read too many thread here warning off lending. 😂 I don’t have anyone else to talk it through with, though it’s hard not being able to give details. I would like to discuss with DH but he’s busy and he just said yes.

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NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 16:12

Keepitsimples · Yesterday 16:11

You did see that poster’s first response?

if you wade in with something as dismissive as that, prepared to be signposted to a thread that you can’t dismiss as such

I did, which is why I said ‘you may be right BUT…’

Spendysis · Yesterday 16:12

I wouldn’t personally but I have lent my dsis thousands over the years and never got it back.
i think it would depend what it was for and why they can’t use a bank loan or credit card or even ask a family member

crikeymikey123 · Yesterday 16:12

If she'd lent me money, yes I'd return the favour

Keepitsimples · Yesterday 16:13

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 16:12

I did, which is why I said ‘you may be right BUT…’

Right so in my opinion - my point stands. You dismiss a problem as a “rich problem” then you should expect a sign posting to a more relevant thread

Mamma1383838 · Yesterday 16:14

OrdinaryGirl · Yesterday 16:09

This is where personal policies come in handy. ‘So sorry, I have a policy of not lending to friends because I’ve been burnt in the past and it negatively affected the friendship’ is easier to communicate than ‘I don’t want to lend money to you’.

I think your friend has made it awkward, and you are now having to manage an awkward situation not of your own making. Especially given that the money is for a ‘nice to have’. It’s something I would never personally do, (ask for the loan, I mean) because of the effect on the dynamics of the friendship and the potential for it to go really badly wrong.

I think they hadn’t planned to ask but there has been some unexpected expenses, and there is a time limit on using the money. It could benefit them very positively in the long term. If it was for a TV or a car or something frivolous they wouldn’t have asked me.

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ConBatulations · Yesterday 16:15

If you decide to go ahead then make sure you have a written agreement. This is useful to think about the whether to go ahead.
www.moneysavingexpert.com/loans/lending-money-to-friends-family/

Happyjoe · Yesterday 16:15

I wouldn't lend a large amount to a friend but tbh, a real friend would never ask - and put us both in a very awkward position.

It would probably not be paid back either.

shockmethen · Yesterday 16:16

Why on earth are they wanting to indulge in something nice but not essential that they could only payback in small amounts over a long period of time? They obviously can not afford this thing. I just can not understand people.

Coconutter24 · Yesterday 16:17

Mamma1383838 · Yesterday 16:11

Probably read too many thread here warning off lending. 😂 I don’t have anyone else to talk it through with, though it’s hard not being able to give details. I would like to discuss with DH but he’s busy and he just said yes.

Everyone has different experiences with money and friends, you can only go based on what you know and how trustworthy your friend is. If you think she’ll pay back when she says she will then you have to decide if you trust her word.

BMW58 · Yesterday 16:17

What's it for?
How much?
Timescale to repay? Months? Years?

My BIL lent a considerable sum (20k) to his oldest and best friend - Godparent to my nephew - bastard went NC and BIL had a real battle to get it back. Friendship destroyed along with BIL's trust

EBearhug · Yesterday 16:17

I'd do with with a written and agreed repayment plan. It sounds like you trust each other and have helped each other out in the past. And you can afford to risk the money not being repaid, so if the worst happens, you will not go short.

I have a couple of friends I would trust to do this with. One of them lent me a few thousand some years ago when i had nothing, and i paid him back with interest, and he had control of my account when I went travelling years ago (internet banking wasn't reslly a thing yet) I have other friends where I wouldn't touch anything financial with them, except maybe to split the bill on a night out. I think most of us know which of our good friends can be trusted with money and those who can't. If you don't know them that well (and it sounds like you do,) then I wouldn't do it.

Kay286 · Yesterday 16:18

What is it for ?
how much do they want ?
Do you genuinely only have this money because of what the friend did - seems unlikely so intrigued as to how ?
overall likely still a no from me I’m adverse to lending money to friends (unless small amounts )
The argument of if you can afford to lose it doesn’t wash with me - I don’t want to lose it !
we have good savings but I wouldn’t ever lend significant sums - it’s our nest egg for our future

everyoldsock · Yesterday 16:19

TheSunIsAlwaysThere · Yesterday 16:11

Since they will be taking from your children if they don't pay back, that would be a no for me. Kids first always.

Well, yes. This is an example of what I was talking about earlier about it being impactful if the money doesn’t get paid back. Hardly anyone can truly afford to lose a large sum of money.

BCBird · Yesterday 16:19

If it was not for essential then no. Mixing friends /family with money does not usually go well.

DogsandFlowers · Yesterday 16:19

Keepitsimples · Yesterday 16:01

Good shout.

Cost of living threads maybe for you

*thread’s- the apostrophe replaces the i
Spelling/grammar/general decorum thread’s maybe for you 🤌🏻

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 16:19

Keepitsimples · Yesterday 16:13

Right so in my opinion - my point stands. You dismiss a problem as a “rich problem” then you should expect a sign posting to a more relevant thread

That poster did not indicate she/he had any financial issues.

Your reply had the tone of a cheap put down.

It’s the general tone of many many posts I see here and unfortunately I am waiting for my tea to cool down so didn’t do what I normally do which is simply close the tab.

@Mamma1383838 I think it would depend on exactly what they helped you with and what was the cost to them. I can imagine a scenario where they wrote a letter in support of you and are now asking to borrow £5000 and that would be a firm ‘no’.

But if they did something that was risky or they went out of their way to help, or put their reputation on the line (eg recommend you for a job) and are now asking to borrow £50, that’s different.

But whatever you choose, get it clearly laid out in writing, clear repayment terms, and be prepared to follow through with legal advice if it all goes tits up.

Wellretired · Yesterday 16:22

Mamma1383838 · Yesterday 16:08

They offered acceptable repayment terms with interest. I think a bank’s terms would be much worse.

I think I might then, especially as you've said elsewhere it isnt for consumer goods and it appears to be a cash flow problem. It sounds as if they are willing. to make a proper agreement. Its still higher risk, of course.

Keepitsimples · Yesterday 16:25

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 16:19

That poster did not indicate she/he had any financial issues.

Your reply had the tone of a cheap put down.

It’s the general tone of many many posts I see here and unfortunately I am waiting for my tea to cool down so didn’t do what I normally do which is simply close the tab.

@Mamma1383838 I think it would depend on exactly what they helped you with and what was the cost to them. I can imagine a scenario where they wrote a letter in support of you and are now asking to borrow £5000 and that would be a firm ‘no’.

But if they did something that was risky or they went out of their way to help, or put their reputation on the line (eg recommend you for a job) and are now asking to borrow £50, that’s different.

But whatever you choose, get it clearly laid out in writing, clear repayment terms, and be prepared to follow through with legal advice if it all goes tits up.

That poster dismissed outright the OP’s issue which is preying on her mind.

I responded in kind.

If you post dismissive one liners like that, then take the response to leave on the chin

grinandslothit · Yesterday 16:25

I think you need to tell us what it's for first. And why they are having money problems in the first place.

Keepitsimples · Yesterday 16:25

unfortunately I am waiting for my tea to cool down so didn’t do what I normally do which is simply close the tab.

I love this random detail!

Keepitsimples · Yesterday 16:30

grinandslothit · Yesterday 16:25

I think you need to tell us what it's for first. And why they are having money problems in the first place.

Op really does not need to tell us this

Growlybear83 · Yesterday 16:32

I would lend anything I had to either of my two closest friends. I trust them both with my life and know they would help me if I needed it. I would be much more cautious lending a large sum to other friends.

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