FOUR out of FIVE new jobs went to foreigners in the past decade, new report reveals

Well I think they are going because they ran out of job prospects in the UK. They go to Australia and hope they'll gain experiences there which will help with the job hunt when they return - or they'll find more meaningful work there.

Do 16/17/18 year olds get benefits?

Because I specifically mentioned young people in my post, not unemployed people. I don't think my friend particularly cares about when applicants last worked or how long they've been unemployed.

Yet brits go over to Australia and pick fruit there

Left wing? Are you taking the piss?! 😁
I've been on here for absolute years, and yes, it used to be very left wing leaving but it changed quite a while ago. There's been a definite shift to the right for anyone paying attention.
It used to be "underneath" and people denying it, but it's out and blatant now.

I can tell you that it is completely impossible to get ethnic British people to work as fruit pickers. When I worked for a farm, they all laughed when I asked where they advertised in Britain. Once, in 2014-2016, I can't remember when, they contacted a job centre that informed the farm that they would send 45 people for an interview. 7 turned up. Only 4:were physically capable of doing the job. Ie. only 4 were not obese. The farm had a bus and was willing to pick up people several places in the city centre each day and drive them home in the afternoon.

It is beneath Brits apparently. A lot of them have the same reaction to jobs like cleaners and carers.

I remember reading on Facebook that a non-British woman who was a manager got told by the company receptionist, that she ( the receptionist) had voted for Brexit because she hoped she could then get the manager's job. The manager had a Master's degree and spoke several languages. The receptionist had her GCSEs and only spoke English.

I also heard from a science professor at a British university that the majority of his team was foreign because most of the Brits with an education in science simply didn't know maths on a sufficiently high level. It was also a problem to find Brits who can do large scale programming. Ie. they cannot handle large data sets. He felt that the problem is that they students pay for their education and therefore the universities have a tendency to let students pass who really really shouldn't pass or to lower the level of the exam so that everyone can pass.

My point here is that the problem isn't the foreigners.

But hang on - I thought they all came here to not work , claim benefits and hang around doing nothing. So which is it or are you just stirring up hatred .

Young, generally middle-class Brits go backpacking around Australia and do fruit picking/seasonal work to help fund their trip.

If you cannot see the difference between a young, middle-class Brit taking a gap year and a working-class parent who needs to be home to do the school run and isn't allowed to leave their HA house empty, I don't know how to help explain it to you.

Where on earth are you getting working class parents from? How about working class teens living nearby

Working for uber eats or a take away isn’t really being productive, is it

Working for uber eats or a take away isn’t really being productive, is it

And the social housing rules? Notice that you glossed over that.

The teens who are living with parents duh. That they can return to the family home after the work finishes How many teens have social housing of their own? Don't try and be such a smart arse

Thats not what you said initially though is it.

I thought I was going mad too. PP was on about people going to Australia to pick fruit.

a. Fruit picking veg picking etc a lot of which is LIVE IN work. If you rent social housing you have to actually live there. You are not allowed to live away from home for the length of time these employers want you to. If you want that you will need to give SH tenants more rights! But that would also mean giving them more rights to leave their home for other reasons Up for that are we? Dont bother cos i know the answer to that already.
b. Gas safety checks fire door checks electric checks Surveys My tenancy agreement says i have to be home for these and no i cant get a friend or neighbour to do it for me.
c. the hatred there is for SH tenants ensures that some busybody would probably report the flat as abandoned if a tenant were to risk their tenancy by taking this job (which id bet money some on this thread would do)
d. i have mentioned SH tenants because they will be the most likely group expected to take these jobs yet their hands are tied and they cant And even if they wont perhaps they want a life after the working day (just like home owners have) You know the ones who arent expected to do these jobs instead of sharing a berth with a stranger"

The MN hypocrisy on this is stark . Moan like fuck when tenants break their tenancy agreements for any other reason but are happy for tenants to break tenancy agreements by not living there. Oh but only when it comes to back breaking work. Not for other reasons. Cos when you rent social housing you actually have to live there. Retired friend of mine is currently going through a benefit check. Ive seen the letter and one of the questions queries that hes actually living there. You want SH tenants to do these jobs you will have to allow them more leeway and rights but that would also mean they could leave their home for other reasons and have more choice and i know lots of Mners would not want that. Because they want it both ways.

Well a lot of low paid social and health care employees will be claiming top up benefits, ditto those in other low paid roles if they bring families with them.

Cost of living in the UK is hardly cheap is it now.

Can’t believe I’m rising to this bait, but the horrific thing about our care system is that the immigrant women propping it up are brought here, paid peanuts, can barely afford housing and transport and are not entitled to any benefits.

A family member relies on carers and their situations are heartbreaking. They are making sacrifice after sacrifice for their children, some of whom they can’t even bring to the UK. Even if their visa allows they can’t always afford housing to accommodate them.

We simply don’t value care work.

As I wrote, the farm had a bus that could pick people up before work and take them home after work. The farm had also informed the job centre that they were willing to add more stops for the bus, in case people lived too far from the existing stops.

So no, it was not necessarily live in work. It was live in work for some of the foreigners, but most of us preferred to live in town just like the Brits. I worked in the office but some of the fruit pickers lived close to me in town. Mind you, they were all foreign.

I would also like to add that while the farm had more fruit pickers in the spring and the summer, there were a lot of fruit pickers/farm hands who worked all of the year. This was mainly due to the fact that most of the plants were in greenhouse tunnels, which extended the season for most of the fruit. For instance, when you grow strawberries outside, the season is six weeks long, but in a greenhouse or greenhouse tunnel, the strawberry season is six months long.

So no, actually not hypocrisy.

Thats not what you said initially though is it.

I said if British teens can pick fruit in Australia they could in UK. I never Brough social housing into it as was irrelevant

Yet brits go over to Australia and pick fruit there

And here it is

Yes I know So they can do in UK as well