FOUR out of FIVE new jobs went to foreigners in the past decade, new report reveals

I agree with this. Able bodied young people should be working. We need a system of carrots and sticks to get things back on track. No young person should be on benefits and dependent on their mum to pay for their IPhone, unless they are severely disabled.

This.
Make your bleedin' minds up. 🙄

Are you in the UK? It's Maths. Not math.

Literally just said that and then seen your post. 🙂

Left wing? Are you taking the piss?! 😁
I've been on here for absolute years, and yes, it used to be very left wing leaving but it changed quite a while ago. There's been a definite shift to the right for anyone paying attention.
It used to be "underneath" and people denying it, but it's out and blatant now.

I live and work in a city. My workplace advertised a generic job recently, above minimum wage, standard 9-5, and no specific skills required. We didn't receive any applications from UK nationals.

Hi, @titchy -

I haven’t got beyond this excellent suggestion yet, so others may have replied already. What better use of a slow day?

As you may have guessed the report is methodologically suspect. It confuses correlation and causation: many British went on benefits owing to aftereffects of COVID, and their jobs were not filled by British workers. The report also over counts, as it counts PAYE entries at HMRC. Employed immigrants are more likely to work more than one job, and each job is counted separately.

Furthermore the report counts naturalised British citizens as immigrants forevermore (hence part of the immigrant count), which I find borderline racist.

I could go on, but I will only say that in the care sector in particular British people do not seem to want the jobs that are available. (I first took against Zack Polanski when he made a disparaging comment implying that reasonable people don’t want to wipe other people’s bums.) The sector is so big that this has an impact on numbers.

@Meatymeatytimetoeaty gave a good analysis of the problems with the CSJ report in a post at 18.18 yesterday. I am scrolling casually and apologise if I’ve skipped over anyone else.

If Brits applied for the jobs, and were willing to fit in with potential employers, I’m sure there would be more employed.

The care services just can’t get that many British staff.

Ahh pesky schrodingers immigrant.

Both claiming 3k a week in benefits and taking all our jobs.

My best mate is a chef. Trying to hire people for the kitchen. Very often, British people don't turn up for the interview, turn up late, or have a load of unworkable conditions like they won't work weekends or split shifts. Often when they start, they last a couple of shifts before walking out because its too difficult. The workers who were not born in the UK don't tend to have as many of these issues and tend to stick at the job. They can't increase the wages because the increases in costs of energy and ingredients has already caused huge increases in the costs of running a restaurant, and any further price increases will mean customers just won't go. Customers don't want to pay 2x more to eat out than they do already, or accept that their meal takes an hour longer to come out because employees haven't turned up again.

Bots appear on all sorts of forums. Their purpose is to whip people up into a frenzy, sow discontent and destabilise nations.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory? It's really not.

You understand that immigrants are a wide range of people? It is quite possible for different parts of the immigrant population to doing both?

We have highly skilled immigrants coming in to be Doctors, AI specialists, architects etc and we have low skilled immigrants coming in to do care work, cleaning, coffee making, fast food sales.

And unless they have ILR they won’t be eligible for benefits. Although given the data source includes UK citizens as well as those with ILR it’s a moot point.

I love the irony of the posters getting their knickers in a twist over the use of the Americanism "Do the Math" whilst seeming outranged that anyone should be upset that 80% of jobs go to immigrants. With that many immigrants there is bound to be a shift in language used. "Do the Math" is a phase that is now in common parlance in the UK.

I’m not remotely upset by it because it’s not true and all the papers that printed it have had to retract it.

Hopefully the Government will action what Milburn was hinting at. Give young people a period of time to find a job with a bit of support and then apply the stick of removing their benefits. They will almost certainly then decide that one of the many job options is actually not that bad.

Gutted that they kicked his reporting into the long grass.

It hasn’t been kicked into the long grass. There’s a further report to come which will be published after the Spending Review. He explains it in a lengthy interview on a recent The Rest is Politics. It’s something Burnham is passionate about.

Long grass

You clearly don’t understand what that phrase means. Hint, it doesn’t mean not now but in the near future.

I hope you're right, because if we don't get youth unemployment sorted out, the future for this country is extremely bleak.

You can easily hear the plans for yourself. The interview on TRIP is free. ☺️

I imagine PP is one of the posters who understands this well. And that the comment was to highlight the inconsistency of people who blame immigrants for being on benefits then get equally upset at the thought they are occupying jobs. Obviously these people don't want immigrants here at all and the benefits/taking jobs arguments are just their justification. But it is amusing to watch then try to justify two contradictory arguments at once. For a while we heard "I don't mind if they come here and contribute..." even from Farage. Yet when there is a suggestion they have jobs, whoops. Better object to that too.

There are 2.5 job seekers for every vacancy in the UK. I sincerely hope`any plans to punish jobseekers financially if they cannot find work are preceded by a plan to create enough jobs for everyone to have one.