FOUR out of FIVE new jobs went to foreigners in the past decade, new report reveals

How reliable is this as a data source?

If these statistics are correct, that sounds like an employer/ worker's rights issue and not an immigtarion one.

YABU to start a thread seemingly for the sole purpose of stirring up hate and division, literally the day after the Chief of MI5 made a statement specifically noting the dangers of anti migrant rhetoric.

Care staff with visas being expected to work 36 hours in a row knowing that if they refuse, they could lose their visa.

EU citizens accounted for 408,000 jobs, while the vast majority – 2.5million – went to migrants from the rest of the world, the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ) said, with most of the surge coming since the pandemic.

Iain Duncan Smith is the Chairman of the CSJ.
Iain Duncan Smith took a leading role in the Brexit Leave campaign.
He's been a Conservative MP throughout the whole period this report covers.
The Conservatives were in power for the majority of the period covered in this report.

The pandemic coincided with Brexit coming into effect.
Since then 2.5 million jobs to migrants from the rest of the world.

EU workers were net contributors.

Worth chucking the report through AI with a prompt asking about credibility and bias btw….

This :)

MATHS

So are they not all fighting age single men then...?

Rules around who can bring dependants, and what salary is required to do so, limitations/costs etc.

I've recently come across the idea of 'greedy jobs' - employers who are asking for the moon on a stick for absolutely minimum they can get away with paying. It seems to be increasing in a employer's market where they can pay less and less and demand more and more.

Anyone seen the mumsnet posts of people finding it hard to get jobs or their childlren here in the UK??

What are your DCs qualifications and what do they want to do?

To answer your questions for where I work...
Do we think this is due to Brits being 'too lazy to work'... no
because of a combination of employers wanting to pay lower wages and offer worse working conditions to migrants... no
preferring to employ migrants/not wanting to invest in training Brits/diversity hire tick boxes... no

The past three hires have all been from abroad and we have had to wait for them to get visas (skilled worker) before they can start which took ages. They were the best candidates for the jobs and that's why they were offered.

However, there were in all cases people who were interviewed who did not require new visas (not sure if 'foreign' or not) who were also judged to have been employable after interview and would have been offered the jobs if the first choices turned them down. I personally also applied for an internal role in a different team and was second choice (but employable) with the role being offered to a candidate from abroad who requires a visa to take it up.

I know I will be told it's just sour grapes but this does make me a bit uncomfortable tbh. Not because I am against hiring from abroad full stop at all. I work in a very multi cultural workplace and that's fine. I am not convinced (as is shown by the interviewed candidates that we deem employable at the end of the process) that we need to be always employing from abroad when we do.

Data source is correct. Interpretation is not, and limitations of data not explicitly stated. E.g nationality is based on nationality at the point someone applied for an NI number, maybe as a 16 year old child of immigrants. If they subsequently acquire UK citizenship this isn’t reflected in the figures.

We have millions of young people out of work.
They should be encouraged to go for these jobs.

This is Iain Duncan Smith’s baby. You would expect right wing views.

I think new roles is probably not what they are. Many will be taking the place of retired workers. It does suggest the Brits are not wanting the roles or are too expensive and need a lot more training. The obvious employment area is health and if we want a semi functioning health service, should we not have employed them? The 1 million neets almost certainly could not do these roles.

@DorsetKnobBiscuit The majority were Non-EU

There are Brits in Australia working on farms and down mines so it’s not laziness. People will work hard if it means they can save for their future, that’s why people come to the uk to work. They will grind for a few years then go home and buy a house.

In the uk you can’t go home, the grind has no end. There’s no point scrimping a saving if a house is still 10x your salary.

Perhaps they are willing to do the jobs others aren't prepared to do?

I'm fed up of the 'Brits don't want these roles' - they do.

They just don't get a look in or aren't prepared to live in an HMO, working double shifts to eke out a basic existence.

Why don't we want more than this for our children?

Bot/ stirrer/ journalist? The word Foreigner is a give away as to the intention of this post.
Love the League of Gentlemen comment! 😂
And @titchy, well said.

You do realise that these stats are legal migrants - they may well have come here for the job specifically as there were no suitable candidates from the UK.
If this is a reform stop the boats bashing thread then it fails

I’ll take the “foreigners” over people like you! 👌🏽

It's not the lack of wanting - it's the lack of access and the expense of funding training for the roles.

In terms of caring work - you used to be provided with a car from a pool, get paid for your training, get your uniform for free and were paid travel. You had regular hours and regular clients.

Now - you have to fund your own car, which many young people can't do - and it's not uncommon to be charged for uniform/training.

The employer does not have to prove that they could not find someone currently resident here who could do the job before they ask to have someone from overseas.