Page 39 | To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country? PART 2

CoventryCity · 2026-09-22T09:14:36+00:00

A continuation of Thread 1. Strong words but is is how I feel at this point in time. All of them make me feel physically sick. Why? Well many reasons.. Here are just two. Eg. They won't release sex crime statistics of immigrants / asylum seekers. Why? Other European countries have done, and it is not pretty. Our gvt gives out a leaflet asking them not to rape the locals. Why? Our gvt has said they won't house asylum seekers next to schools and nurseries, why? Eg. UK now spends more on benefits than it earns in income tax. Labour have increased this - not reduced it. Astonishing. As they say - *"Who can we tax in order to pay benefits to others?"* That's Labour's Welfare Secretary. He's describing the priorities of Labour MPs. In the last financial year, the UK government brought in £331 billion in income tax — and spent even more, £333 billion, on welfare, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility's latest economic and fiscal outlook (https://obr.uk/efo/economic-and-fiscal-outlook-march-2026/#chapter-6). Previous thread [[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5580786-to-absolutely-hate-this-government-and-what-they-are-doing-to-our-country?page=40&reply=154902611 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5580786-to-absolutely-hate-this-government-and-what-they-are-doing-to-our-country?page=40&reply=154902611&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share]]

TemperanceWest · Today 16:38

ilovesooty · Today 16:36

Ah well. At least the thread might limp on to 1000 posts now even though the OP hasn't returned to it.

I reckon Cov might be on the MN naughty step. Am I allowed to say that?

RedTagAlan · Today 16:40

globalinfluence · Today 16:19

I've observed that many (many) posters on MN appear to call people who support the Conservatives, 'far right'; or even more bizarrely, people who don't support mass immigration of unknown undocumented men, 'fascist'. Mind bogglingly dim but there we are.

I see Burnham has lied his socks off again.

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I don't. I try to keep to the standard definitions,

If I refer to anyone as "far right", I quickly check off the 14 Characteristics of Fascism in my mind. The gaps I fill by doing a relative weighting thing.

The 14 Characteristics of Fascism, by Lawrence Britt, Spring 2003 (ratical.org)

If I come across someone advocating for Marx, and talking about the proletariat, the bourgeoisie and class war, I usually assume them to be far left.

The 14 Characteristics of Fascism, by Lawrence Britt, Spring 2003

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

BIossomtoes · Today 16:41

TemperanceWest · Today 16:38

I reckon Cov might be on the MN naughty step. Am I allowed to say that?

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Probably best not.

What “Labour crap” @globalinfluence? That isn’t particularly helpful.

globalinfluence · Today 16:44

BIossomtoes · Today 16:41

Probably best not.

What “Labour crap” @globalinfluence? That isn’t particularly helpful.

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I said in my pp. Are we trying to run down the thread? Fair enough, I'll say it again. OP can always do a Thread 3 - or someone else can!

Since you ask, the usual hypocritical labour crap...

Of course in the New Labour years, Burnham was a Blairite loyalist:
voting for the Iraq War, and
overseeing the privatisation of the NHS.

Just a reminder for everyone.

Oh dear. And this weekend..

'The Prime Minister was unequivocal in his condemnation of masked groups. He told the ECHO: "These are scenes we have not seen in Britain, people in fully black clothing, face coverings, it is designed to intimidate, designed to cause fear, designed to divide and we absolutely should stand up against it and defeat it. It has no place in Britain. In fact, these are scenes we have not seen on British streets.'
Well of course we have and he has seen 'people in fully black clothing, face coverings, it is designed to intimidate, designed to cause fear, designed to divide', at the many pro pal (anti Jewish, anti-british) demonstrations across the country. Including Manchester and London (and he owns homes in both as we know).

Gtfto2024 · Today 16:49

ilovesooty · Today 16:36

Ah well. At least the thread might limp on to 1000 posts now even though the OP hasn't returned to it.

Interesting. The op didn't give the impression they would leave this. Particularly as it is thread 2, they had a real bee in their bonnet.

Had a lot of deletions though.

BIossomtoes · Today 16:51

globalinfluence · Today 16:44

I said in my pp. Are we trying to run down the thread? Fair enough, I'll say it again. OP can always do a Thread 3 - or someone else can!

Since you ask, the usual hypocritical labour crap...

Of course in the New Labour years, Burnham was a Blairite loyalist:
voting for the Iraq War, and
overseeing the privatisation of the NHS.

Just a reminder for everyone.

Oh dear. And this weekend..

'The Prime Minister was unequivocal in his condemnation of masked groups. He told the ECHO: "These are scenes we have not seen in Britain, people in fully black clothing, face coverings, it is designed to intimidate, designed to cause fear, designed to divide and we absolutely should stand up against it and defeat it. It has no place in Britain. In fact, these are scenes we have not seen on British streets.'
Well of course we have and he has seen 'people in fully black clothing, face coverings, it is designed to intimidate, designed to cause fear, designed to divide', at the many pro pal (anti Jewish, anti-british) demonstrations across the country. Including Manchester and London (and he owns homes in both as we know).

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I don’t think Burnham owns a London property, does he? I haven’t seen any pictures of pro Palestine demonstrations by people in balaclavas and masks so perhaps Burnham hasn’t either. Do you have any?

As far as I’m aware the NHS hasn’t been privatised either. I certainly haven’t been asked for my credit card or health insurance documents at any point.

EasternStandard · Today 16:53

globalinfluence · Today 16:44

I said in my pp. Are we trying to run down the thread? Fair enough, I'll say it again. OP can always do a Thread 3 - or someone else can!

Since you ask, the usual hypocritical labour crap...

Of course in the New Labour years, Burnham was a Blairite loyalist:
voting for the Iraq War, and
overseeing the privatisation of the NHS.

Just a reminder for everyone.

Oh dear. And this weekend..

'The Prime Minister was unequivocal in his condemnation of masked groups. He told the ECHO: "These are scenes we have not seen in Britain, people in fully black clothing, face coverings, it is designed to intimidate, designed to cause fear, designed to divide and we absolutely should stand up against it and defeat it. It has no place in Britain. In fact, these are scenes we have not seen on British streets.'
Well of course we have and he has seen 'people in fully black clothing, face coverings, it is designed to intimidate, designed to cause fear, designed to divide', at the many pro pal (anti Jewish, anti-british) demonstrations across the country. Including Manchester and London (and he owns homes in both as we know).

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Yep the op can start another one if this fills up. Agree re the masks statement too.

RedTagAlan · Today 17:02

BIossomtoes · Today 16:51

I don’t think Burnham owns a London property, does he? I haven’t seen any pictures of pro Palestine demonstrations by people in balaclavas and masks so perhaps Burnham hasn’t either. Do you have any?

As far as I’m aware the NHS hasn’t been privatised either. I certainly haven’t been asked for my credit card or health insurance documents at any point.

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I await the "antifa all in black" photos.

3....2.....

I am antifa by the way. Totally anti-fascist. But we don't get a card as you know. No membership, no organization. Nothing like that at all. It part of my moral code. Fascists don't seem to have that same moral code. Seems that way to me anyway.

thepariscrimefiles · Today 17:02

hedgeknight · 25/09/2026 08:30

Reform has released a game that is about shooting small boats, it is based on real time arrivals and offers prizes to the highest scorers.

They do not care children and women are aboard.

JFC that's shocking! I've just googled it and it said

Reform UK's Stance: Home affairs spokesperson Zia Yusuf stated that the game was created to let people "have a bit of fun with a very serious issue" because the public is frustrated with political inaction on Channel crossings.

There's something seriously wrong with that man.

RedTagAlan · Today 17:06

thepariscrimefiles · Today 17:02

JFC that's shocking! I've just googled it and it said

Reform UK's Stance: Home affairs spokesperson Zia Yusuf stated that the game was created to let people "have a bit of fun with a very serious issue" because the public is frustrated with political inaction on Channel crossings.

There's something seriously wrong with that man.

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Trump has a set of similar games. On the official US Government Whitehouse website. Have a google for that too. Prepare to be more shocked.

:-(

ilovesooty · Today 17:07

Andy Burnham does own a flat in London, bought as an investment property when he was an MP before which was previously let out, as well as his primary residence in Manchester. That represents the extent of his property holdings.

Cynergy · Today 17:09

TemperanceWest · Today 16:38

I reckon Cov might be on the MN naughty step. Am I allowed to say that?

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I reckon she got fed up with the pile on. Am I allowed to say that?

It was ugly.

The Reform game is in very bad taste. We don't need to discuss Trump though on a thread about the UK government as it's off topic.

Gtfto2024 · Today 17:11

RedTagAlan · Today 17:02

I await the "antifa all in black" photos.

3....2.....

I am antifa by the way. Totally anti-fascist. But we don't get a card as you know. No membership, no organization. Nothing like that at all. It part of my moral code. Fascists don't seem to have that same moral code. Seems that way to me anyway.

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No, no,no, antifa is apparently a real organisation. so you and I are wrong.

It's just there is no evidence for this,

Cynergy · Today 17:12

ilovesooty · Today 17:07

Andy Burnham does own a flat in London, bought as an investment property when he was an MP before which was previously let out, as well as his primary residence in Manchester. That represents the extent of his property holdings.

They're all at it aren't they? Buying investment properties with the aim of making money from them while decrying how hard it is for young people to get on the property ladder. Both left and right wing politicians show a lot of hypocrisy.

TemperanceWest · Today 17:13

Cynergy · Today 17:09

I reckon she got fed up with the pile on. Am I allowed to say that?

It was ugly.

The Reform game is in very bad taste. We don't need to discuss Trump though on a thread about the UK government as it's off topic.

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You don't think Trump's actions affect us here in the UK or have a bearing on UK government's decisions?

BIossomtoes · Today 17:14

Cynergy · Today 17:12

They're all at it aren't they? Buying investment properties with the aim of making money from them while decrying how hard it is for young people to get on the property ladder. Both left and right wing politicians show a lot of hypocrisy.

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Are they?

Cynergy · Today 17:21

TemperanceWest · Today 17:13

You don't think Trump's actions affect us here in the UK or have a bearing on UK government's decisions?

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A reminder that the thread is about the UK government and whether AIBU to hate what they are doing to our country.

Poor taste games on the Whitehouse website have no relevance to the thread. Unless the UK government is using them to help develop their decisions.

BIossomtoes · Today 17:25

Cynergy · Today 17:21

A reminder that the thread is about the UK government and whether AIBU to hate what they are doing to our country.

Poor taste games on the Whitehouse website have no relevance to the thread. Unless the UK government is using them to help develop their decisions.

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Excuse me. You don’t get to dictate what other people post. Or remind us what the thread’s about. Discussions have a momentum of their own and it’s up to the participants what direction they take.

Cynergy · Today 17:28

BIossomtoes · Today 17:25

Excuse me. You don’t get to dictate what other people post. Or remind us what the thread’s about. Discussions have a momentum of their own and it’s up to the participants what direction they take.

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I can't dictate what other people post but I can of course remind you of what the thread is about.

If you say I can't then you are unfortunately guilty of trying to dictate what other people post.

ilovesooty · Today 17:33

Cynergy · Today 17:28

I can't dictate what other people post but I can of course remind you of what the thread is about.

If you say I can't then you are unfortunately guilty of trying to dictate what other people post.

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You are of course at liberty to report anything you consider inappropriate or a breach of the guidelines.

nomas · Today 17:33

globalinfluence · Today 16:44

I said in my pp. Are we trying to run down the thread? Fair enough, I'll say it again. OP can always do a Thread 3 - or someone else can!

Since you ask, the usual hypocritical labour crap...

Of course in the New Labour years, Burnham was a Blairite loyalist:
voting for the Iraq War, and
overseeing the privatisation of the NHS.

Just a reminder for everyone.

Oh dear. And this weekend..

'The Prime Minister was unequivocal in his condemnation of masked groups. He told the ECHO: "These are scenes we have not seen in Britain, people in fully black clothing, face coverings, it is designed to intimidate, designed to cause fear, designed to divide and we absolutely should stand up against it and defeat it. It has no place in Britain. In fact, these are scenes we have not seen on British streets.'
Well of course we have and he has seen 'people in fully black clothing, face coverings, it is designed to intimidate, designed to cause fear, designed to divide', at the many pro pal (anti Jewish, anti-british) demonstrations across the country. Including Manchester and London (and he owns homes in both as we know).

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Even Nigel Farage has called the masked far right ‘Stop the boats’ thugs a ‘menace’ and ‘their purpose to bully and intimidate’

If you are supporting something that even Farage is thinks is too far then you need to examine your motivations.

BIossomtoes · Today 17:35

Cynergy · Today 17:28

I can't dictate what other people post but I can of course remind you of what the thread is about.

If you say I can't then you are unfortunately guilty of trying to dictate what other people post.

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You can remind us about anything you like. Equally we can ignore your advice.

Cynergy · Today 17:41

ilovesooty · Today 17:33

You are of course at liberty to report anything you consider inappropriate or a breach of the guidelines.

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Why would I report something like that? Be serious sooty.

ilovesooty · Today 17:45

Cynergy · Today 17:41

Why would I report something like that? Be serious sooty.

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So you can't find anything that's actually in breach of the guidelines, but want to police a thread you've come to in its final stages?

RedTagAlan · Today 17:47

Cynergy · Today 17:09

I reckon she got fed up with the pile on. Am I allowed to say that?

It was ugly.

The Reform game is in very bad taste. We don't need to discuss Trump though on a thread about the UK government as it's off topic.

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Do you mean bored of being part of the pile ons. I was the subject of a couple.

Do a post with evidence, get the onslaught of one or two line quote replies that had barely anything beyond " Wrong" "snide", "see how thick they are", learn to to see the big picture".

Evidence ? WTF is that. That's on the thread next door. Not welcome here at all.