To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country? PART 2

Most people would not vote to go back to what we have now if Australia’s system was used. Incidentally it has been said the crossing distance was further but now with Channel crossings from much further away it’s about the same.

The boat last week was in the sea for 30 hours.

Can you say more about the distance of the recent crossings and those to Australia

People have a misconception it’s much further.

The reason isn’t what you say, it’s that they have their own court system.

I am not talking about distances, it's about location and as you say legal jurisdiction

If the Australia sytem was as easy to replicate as you say, it would have been done.

@EasternStandard I appreciate your response, thankyou. But again my understanding is the British navy are against using push back techniques. So, to me this is another example of how on the surface there may seem to be an easy solution but the realities are much more difficult and complex.

Fundamentally, I believe malign actors are pretending there’s an obvious solution to the migrant crisis in order to fuel hatred and division and I simply do not think we should let them.

First you’d need a mandate to only have a court system for here. As Australia have.

That’ll take votes. There’s no point in demanding it without voting for the legal changes that are needed.

I don't think being poor ever excuses murder and the taking of another life? Do you?

Yes, not quite as simple as you make out is it?

And you know Australia has its own versions of the Tommy Ten names groups? And they have the demonstrations with the far right.

Example here from last year -

Anti-immigration protests: How the March for Australia rallies unfolded (sbs.com.au)

In fact... they took some pre-emptive action about that, back in 2019. A preventative measure of sorts.

‘Tommy Robinson’ banned from entering Australia | The National (thenationalnews.com)

Seems a good action to me. Is he not living in Spain these days with an Irish passport ?

Big picture at play. Follow world news, not just GB news. Fit a wide angle lens on the camera.

What’s wrong with zero? It would mean zero deaths at sea for a start.

There’s other ways to give refuge if people still want to. Which doesn’t involve traffickers, violence and risk.

So you can deny someone entering the country then?

Care to let us in on what these are? I'm sure the government would also like to know.

What is the magic wand that will make the trafficking stop?

Why are these posts always with this style? Are you able to ask for more information without that?

I’m fine with answering some posters. If people can’t ask without the usual then there’s other posters for them.

I think the ‘malign actors’ line might tie Labour over for a bit if numbers stay lower.

But if they go up, and they can, this week has 1000 again, it won’t be enough.

Just to be clear, I'm not a die-hard Labour supporter, and in fact I'm mostly minded to vote for anyone who would keep Reform away from power in the next election (although, that said, some of the populist nonsense the Conservatives have been coming out with over the last few days has given me pause for thought on that).

So, my interest is not at all in what will 'tide Labour over for a bit', and very much in how we set about lifting our political discourse from the gutter, stopping the demonisation and dehumanisation of vulnerable people, calming community tensions, and making this feel like a tolerant and stable country.

Vulnerable people include women. Whatever your political persuasion is, nobody can deny that - no matter which type of men they are most in danger from. In trying to silence them (and girls) that's amounting to dehumanisation. It's not just the 'far' right whipping up division.

Do you not think it should be zero crossings? Were you in favour of people being smuggled in to the UK in the back of lorries?

Just to be clear, I'm not a die-hard Labour supporter, and in fact I'm mostly minded to vote for anyone who would keep Reform away from power in the next election (although, that said, some of the populist nonsense the Conservatives have been coming out with over the last few days has given me pause for thought on that).

So, my interest is not at all in what will 'tide Labour over for a bit', and very much in how we set about lifting our political discourse from the gutter, stopping the demonisation and dehumanisation of vulnerable people, calming community tensions, and making this feel like a tolerant and stable country.

One thing on discourse is both sides use it. The malign actors, far right, Starmer type rhetoric just makes people who want a change made more frustrated.

Who do you think the "some" are that is a game to?

Now me for example. I am atheist, and I do have a moral code that includes such concepts as compassion, equality, right to life and so on. Pretty much along the lines of the various UN charters. I choose to stand up for what think is right and stand against what I think is wrong.

It's not a game to me.

Why do I mention I am atheist? Well consider a Christian. And I am sure there are plenty on this board. For them, this subject is far from a game. This could be about their eternal life. To follow the teachings of their Christ or not. ( I am aware of this because I was a Christian. now ex.

It's deffo not a game for them. It is potentially well beyond that for them.

So, who does that leave ?

But hang on. I made a claim above without evidence. That there will be plenty of Christians on this board. I really should evidence that. How about I quote Rupert Lowe. Is that ok ?

"Rupert Lowe launches Restore Britain with an unapologetically Christian platform, vowing cultural restoration, mass deportations and bold defence of Western values — even at political cost.
The United Kingdom’s newest political party is asserting an unapologetic Christian position.
Rupert Lowe officially launched Restore Britain on February 13, asserting that,
“Britain is a Christian country, and under a Restore Britain Government, it will remain a Christian country.”"

Source :

Restore Britain’s Rupert Lowe: “Britain Is a Christian Country, and It Will Remain So.” - The Daily Declaration

Oh wait. Now I am confused. He said that ? And what is with all these Tommah fans with crosses and all that. ?

Well, I suppose, if we say those folk can't really be Christian, because they are not being very.... Christian... then perhaps it is a game for them ?

Bit of a leap I know. But Occam's razor and all that.

One thing on discourse is both sides use it. The malign actors, far right, Starmer type rhetoric just makes people who want a change made more frustrated.