To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country? PART 2

I've no interest in playing games so I wouldn't know. I do like Mumsnet's crosswords though.

How is my drawing attention to an abandoned toddler in waters, relevant to the photo of a deceased child, without a trigger warning? Simple question - don't all rush to answer it at once.

Many of those in these camps are there because they don't register for asylum in France. They go through the whole of the EU, multiple multiple safe nations but choose to risk death not just for themselves but for their kids as well.

There is a logical fallacy here. You are framing this as though our government is in favour of mass immigration and is trying to conceal negative impacts to avoid public resistance, that it wants to 'take away' objections

That is exactly what some believe @5128gap They think the government wants to "replace" the population.

This is a Daily Mail headline 👇. In the comments section people are claiming this is deliberate and planned. Some are saying it's the reason people are being advised to stock up in case of emergency. It's crazy what hate will lead people to believe.

The fundamental principle of seeking asylum applies to everyone

I think there's potential for the government to take steps to counter this, with regular briefings in person from the PM on what is being done, the outcomes, the reasons for set backs, so commitment is demonstrated, and there is no information vacuum to be filled by this sort of nonsense.
However, its difficult to get an accurate gauge of the extent of concern and strength of feeling in the mainstream. Coming on to these threads gives a skewed view, but in reality, it's the same handful of posters. In real life, I find people are not preoccupied with this issue, and certainly the protests are not well attended. So perhaps this would be disproportionate.

Only if the country is party to the refugee convention. No every country is. India isn't. They'll provide life saving maritime aid and then sent and redirect any boats away.

I think there's potential for the government to take steps to counter this, with regular briefings in person from the PM on what is being done, the outcomes, the reasons for set backs, so commitment is demonstrated, and there is no information vacuum to be filled by this sort of nonsense.
However, its difficult to get an accurate gauge of the extent of concern and strength of feeling in the mainstream. Coming on to these threads gives a skewed view, but in reality, it's the same handful of posters. In real life, I find people are not preoccupied with this issue, and certainly the protests are not well attended. So perhaps this would be disproportionate.

Many of those in these camps are there because they don't register for asylum in France. They go through the whole of the EU, multiple multiple safe nations but choose to risk death not just for themselves but for their kids as well.

The UK is and that is what matters.

We can't turn boats back without co-operation, hence the France deal.

But they’re all “fighting age” men, aren’t they?

But you can deny them their asylum claim and send back to home country?

If they are or aren't, so what?

You can't transfer it to all of them but it's more likely that they aren't very lovely fellows. In a group there'd be more bad people.

If you look at the USA a certain group despite only making up 13% of the population commit 50% of the homicides. That's a fact straight from the FBI. So read into that what you may.

People raised in a country, carry and have that culture through them.

Even in the Nordic nations those born in the country but from foreign backgrounds have higher per capita crime rates. Facts simply don't care about your feelings.

It was in the news sections.

General knowledge helps with crosswords

If they are or aren't, so what?

Meanwhile, I still think that Islam remains a pre-historic religion with caveman attitudes to women.

Deterrence against traffickers is hard and may not work long term. Supply chains get re established. So after a lull there can be a week with 1000 entering as we just had.

The demand for what is being sold is incredibly high. With any highly lucrative business someone will fill it.

I posted a newspaper article. An article covering a story most of us here are familiar with. And that article has a photo, one of a few different ones, that is, or should be, etched in the collective memory of the free west.

Do you want trigger warnings when you walk into a newsagent and are confronted with front pages like that ?

As PPs have said. It's an article with a photo of a man carrying a child. Then other posters exclaim " but it's a dead child". And there you go, that people know it is a dead child show it is etched into our collective memory. And I reckon it should stay there, in our memory.

This next bit is not directed at you, but at the boat smashers and the "sink them all" crowd.

I think the story should stay a memory. And not be tomorrow's news.

This is a public form after all. And more people will be reading this than posting. So just in case there is anyone reading this, who are calling the RLNI traitors, or supporting the protestors who do say that, then please read about Alan Kurdi, and think if you want this to be repeated in tomorrow's news .

I don’t think some can get it’s mostly men, and women and children who are at higher risk. They seem confused about it. But it’s one of the simpler parts to get.

I posted a link to an article that had a similar story that was being discussed, and my comment "People do see many things in different ways"., and from that one comment, you deduced that I don't " get the full picture "?

I think you have made a few leaps of logic there. I should have expanded sorry. It's an observation on how different media can, and does, shape opinion. And perhaps how it can reinforce existing prejudices.

Do you remember Aylan Kurdi ? The little boy whose death, for a little while, stopped the world. I do. And it stopped me in my tracks. And for lots of people, including me, I am still stopped in my tracks over those photos. And it appears a lot of media sources maybe are too. And lets throw in this thing called compassion, and an ability to see a much bigger picture. A global picture.

Alan Kurdi: Did the photo of a dead child on a beach change anything? | News World | Metro News

Quote " It does beg the question why would a parent risk their children's lives with this dangerous crossing."

I think to answer that, I won't say " because English is the most taught language", but I will try to paint a bigger picture.

Imagine you are in far off land. A family member is maybe being hunted for political, conscription, or religious reasons. Or maybe you are desperate to escape poverty. To want a better life. To get away, get a job to send money home to loved ones. Maybe to try to get settled, and hope loved ones can join you later.

So you call in the local fixer who can arrange things. And he shows you newspaper articles etc to try to sell you a product. And remember, the fixer wants to make as much money as possible.

What newspapers articles will he show ? How about GB news or the like. Farage on the front page, headlines are " UK has open borders", "Migrants get free money, free houses, 4 star hotels, free medical, chain migration".

What product will those grandparents, extended family etc decide to buy ? And who will they send ?

Do you think if Farage and palls really cared about migration, the best thing for them to do is to stand on a world soapbox and yell mistruths and lies so loudly that they can be heard by people in persecuted and impoverished communities worldwide ? Or should he maybe tone it down a little, so he is not helping the traffickers sell their product?

That is the big picture I see. Can you see the same picture as me ?

I am not a sick fucker so no I haven't. But there is this thing called the Internet which provides useful info. Here you go:

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I do remember that harrowing photo. That was the photo that made everyone think enough is enough. It was supposed to be the turning point to stop criminals trafficking people and cramming them on to small boats. And yet here we are 11 years later and it is still happening.

I remember when it was lorries that the criminals used. Then there were 2 horrific incidents where over 100 economic migrants suffocated in the back of lorries. There was such outrage over that and that route in to the UK was swiftly stopped.

If the Government wanted to stop these crossings they could do.

I do remember that harrowing photo. That was the photo that made everyone think enough is enough. It was supposed to be the turning point to stop criminals trafficking people and cramming them on to small boats. And yet here we are 11 years later and it is still happening.

I remember when it was lorries that the criminals used. Then there were 2 horrific incidents where over 100 economic migrants suffocated in the back of lorries. There was such outrage over that and that route in to the UK was swiftly stopped.

If the Government wanted to stop these crossings they could do.