To think that Harry and his kids should have security

They might need it, they don’t need taxpayers to pay for it.

There is not endless media speculatoon about Zara and Peter nor people who are totally obsessed with whatever H&M are upto and whose whole life seems to revolve around finding things to slate them for.

They've already got security. The millionaires just want us to pay for it so they can spend all their millions on them.

Why didn't you put this in the royalty board? Why in chat? Edit: bleh! Why in AIBU?

Peter and Zara’s kids are not the monarch’s grandchildren so it’s not a like for like comparison.

They're in the media as much as they are because they constantly promote themselves and air their silly dramas. They could just stop, and then their kids wouldn't be of such interest.

Personally I couldn't care less other than to say when they made it clear they preferred the celeb lifestyle the then Queen made it clear they couldn't have their cake and eat it. So, tough.

Are you honestly telling me that the Security Arrangements for H&M are impacting on the nations sanity op? Really. Do you not think the UK have much much more important and serious things to focus on.🤔

I can’t stand the pair of them and think Harry has made some terrible choices BUT he is the Kings son and has grown up with that security, and whilst I think they are complete knobs I do think they need that security and quite frankly if it shuts them up I’ll swallow it as a tax payer.

I agree that they both should be working royals. Enough now.

If you don't want another year of will they / won't they. then avoid that news topic altogether.
It's easily done...if golf comes on the news I mute it...if Trump comes on..I mute it..

Ok, but they were the monarch's grandchildren not so long ago, so whatever they got would be comparable.

If the experts have assessed they don't need it, then surely they don't?

And presumably Harry and Meghan weighed up losing the taxpayer-funded security when they decided to walk away from being working royals. A decision like that isn't one anybody takes lightly, without weighing up the pros and cons, surely....

They could help themselves by stopping courting the limelight and creating so many silly dramas.

It must be difficult for Harry to have friends up being told he must have armed security, then suddenly be told there’s actually no need for it for him or his kids.

Or maybe people could get a more intetsting hobby and stop obsesing about them ?

They’re complete drama llamas the pair of them!
they have security, they pay! If they NEED armed security they’ll get it.
I thick the country will be up in armsif they get this through RAVEC because theyre not doing anything for the country, they splash themselves all over SM and have tonnes of leaks to the press … if they kept their lives more private no one would know what they’re doing … its all PR bollox and keeping themselves seem relevant, when they are not! Why should the tax payer foot their bill

I'm no fan of Harry and Meghan. I think they're spoilt, entitled and badly advised. I'm also not a fan of the monarchy in general. The whole idea of a hereditary system based on birth rather than merit is deeply anachronistic and fundamentally flawed.

But the fact remains that this is the system that we have got. Harry was born into the Royal Family and he is the son of the king. He, Meghan and their children will inevitably be potential targets, regardless of whether they are working royals or not - he can't opt out of being the king's son. For me, it's a no-brainer that they should be given proper security.

It isn't about whether or not they are worthy. They deserve the security not because they are wonderful people who have earned it, but simply because they are at significantly elevated risk by virtue of Harry being the king's son.

Did you feel the same with regard to Andrew? He was the monarchs son but didn’t get automatic state security

No they weren’t. They were her great grandchildren and were always 20+ in the line of succession. Harry and his children are fifth, sixth and seventh.

There aren’t threads speculating on where Peter and Zara’s kids go to school. A poster on here was saying she hopes someone ‘gives Harry and Meghan a piece of their mind’ if they’re spotted in public. It’s not normal behaviour and that’s just on Mumsnet. It’s totally different from Peter and Zara’s situation.

If security is that bad in the uk why aren't celebrities, billionaires etc being murdered and kidnapped everyday? Harry wants someone else to pay because it's always been paid for. If it's so dangerous here why come back? Why doesn't he keep a low profile for the sake of his children's safety?

He was getting state funded security well after he stepped back from public duties and his children got it until they were adults.

Grown up*

Yabu

They haven’t said that they want to be working royals. Presumably part of the reason why they stopped being working royals is because they want control over their finances, lives, image and their children’s lives. If they lived on a royal property then security would be included when the Sussex family were at home but they don’t want that living arrangement. I assume that they don’t want the family knowing who visits them etc Plus there is no indication that they even want “including” in the family in a distant Zara Tindall way.

As for forgiveness, you can only start that process if the other person is sorry and there’s no
indication that Harry is sorry.

Well they get constantly reviewed by Ravec who actually have the experience and intelligence to assess if they need the level of security the deluded souls think is their right. Wants and needs are very different things.

They could also actually be proactive and stop with the constant social media drops suggesting their location and public announcements about their whereabouts. Lots of proper A listens manage to keep their personal lives and children out of the public eye. These two private citizens are doing anything but carry-on privately. It is very entertaining, in the way Heat was in the 90s and the way Katie Price ensures she stays in the spotlight now.

If they really wanted they could actually have just quietly left (which most people respected) and then just get on with with their lives, because most people really do not care. The only reason they remain tabloid fodder/ gossip is because their actions and quite frankly astounding levels of entitlement/lack of any self awareness generate it.

Anyhow, as usual you will be told off by the mumsnet prefects you are unreasonable because you have not posted in the Royal family threads....