Aibu feeling uneasy about men taking little girls to the toilet in the womens toilet?

The safety of children trumps the discomfort of women who rarely come across fully clothed dads or young boys in the ladies as everybody is tucked away in their own cubicles.

If the man in question is taking his young daughter to the toilet. It tells you he prioritises his daughter's needs over some the preference of some woman who he's never clapped eyes on before.

I don't really feel that comfortable changing in a place that only has communal changing available with little boys running round whilst I'm entirely naked, no.

Why is it ok for my little boys to go into the men's (when they were young enough that if I was with them I would take them into the ladies) but not little girls?

I thought you were asking him to leave?

And that level of entitlement is a problem, it’s not a uni sex space.

And what about a man taking his daughter to swimming lessons in a facility where there are no family cubicles. What do you suggest they do then?

Did you notice the name of the poster who originally said that and think that’s me?

From your viewpoint, everywhere is then a vulnerable place.

Religion shouldn't dictate toilet usage.
Religious believes should not come before a child.

You talking to
me or
micespiders?

Dads shouldn’t be taking their daughters into the women’s toilet. This appears to be a ‘what about’ argument. There seems to be a series of arguments people are trying out at the moment.

Others include: what about male cleaners, what about mums bringing boys into the toilets.

Male cleaners are cleaning the toilets. They have provisions in place - outer washroom door propped open with a sign etc . It’s not a highly sought after job and we need clean toilets. It also has to be safe for the cleaners, and cleaning can be done at antisocial hours. Cleaners sometimes work in pairs with a man and a woman.

Mums bringing young sons into toilets is obviously not the same as an adult man. A judge said the same in a recent case.

Accessible toilets can be used for anyone who has need of them. I would try and avoid encouraging them for adult + child use. This is because they are mixed sex, private and sound resistant. Any mixed sex private design is less safe for a vulnerable occupant as my research into real life incidents shows. Accessible toilets should be monitored as much as possible. They are supposed to be in high traffic, visible areas so people notice who is going in and out and how long they have spent in there. They are supposed to have working and reachable alarms. If you do use one, and the cord has been tied up, please ensure you untie it so anyone on the floor can attempt to pull it.

Occasionally I come across an accessible design in single sex accommodation that has the floor-to-door gaps and space above the door. These are really useful as they provide non ambulant people the dignity and safety of being in single sex toilets too. Many wheelchair users can transfer by themselves, but if they did need assistance or had a fall, they are not easy places to be trapped in (and the floor can be left in a disgusting state).

Tip: in single sex accommodation you may notice one toilet will have a handrail and an opening outwards door. This is called an ‘ambulant’ toilet and can be easier to use when you have a child with you.

Right well then you need therapy if you think a 4 year old is some sort of threat or sexual deviant . I’ve never heard anything so ridiculous

But perfectly legal and perfectly ok for safeguarding to be a priority for the vast majority of women.

Frankly putting safeguarding second is the pinnacle of entitlement.

Why should a little girl go into the men's toilet. What woman would want that. I would prefer a dad to take his girls into the women's toilets and would get over myself.

You’re not just asking a man to leave, you’re asking the young girl to leave with her carer because her carer happens to be her dad.

He will at least realise he is isn't wanted there and that at least some women will speak up. Men don't need to be everywhere no matter how much they want to be.

The faux naivety on this thread is astonishing

you. It was ask a man to leave now it’s ask a man for privacy- they aren’t the same

What sort of Roman style hedonistic behaviour do you think goes on in a shopping centre toilet ?

Well I'm a woman and would prefer, for my DD's sake, that he parents in the appropriate toilet

She is more than welcome to stay or to use facilities suitable for her to be accompanied by a man

Yet more sweeping generalisations.

Men are not predators. Some are but it's completely disingeous to make such a sweeping statement.

Woman are entitled to privacy - the cublic door provides it.

A man bring his young daughter to the toilet is not creepy.

Your view of the world is distorted.

Ok so if there aren't any disabled toilets or they are locked what should he do?

Men pulling out their penises and having a wee in either individual urinals or the more common trough urinals.

What kind of hedonistic behaviour are you thinking a dad with his little girl is going to attempt in the women’s toilet?

Since she is the one needing the toilet, doesn’t she have the right to use the toilets that align with her sex?

The toilet examlple sounds innoccuous, but it is a perfect slippery slope.

1)if the men's toilet are so bad for a little girl with her father, how long before someone comes with the idea that father should take his little son to the women's toilet - quoting the very same reasoning?

2)what will happen when father takes her swimming somewhere with open floor changing room? Will he go through women's with her as well?

Men, young men and men with children are still men.