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Is the trans kids trend over? Aibu to wonder what happened to the kids caught up in it in the 2010s?

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Hippodrome · Yesterday 07:28

As we know the period from the mid 10s to early 20s has been described as “woke 1” and is apparently “over”.
When I was at secondary school in the 2010s, there were four trans kids in my year group (3 FTMs and one mtf) the one mtf was autistic and in foster care. I was always nice to them and kept my views to myself but I’m wondering what’s going on with them now, they’ve completely dropped off the radar. None of them have social media accounts and no one else I went to school with had heard from them.

My daughter has just entered year 5 and doesn’t know any trans kids or even what one is, my neighbours teenage children don’t know any either and they’re the age I was when four classmates transitioned.

I know there’s a lot of teachers on mumsnet would this be your experience too?

Ive tried googling this but everyone seems to have moved on from it I think there may be a forgotten generation who’s lives have been ruined

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TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 21:47

Kalanthe · Yesterday 11:55

I worded it wrong, I meant both types of genitals, not full sets of both. There is a disorder where a person has both ovaries and testicles called ovotesticular DSD. A person suffering from it can have both ovaries and testicles (or just tissue but functioning) which produces eggs and forms sperm in the same body, sometimes with a uterus and fallopian tubes on one side and male internal ducts on the other. This isn’t just “ambiguous genitalia” but both types of gonadal tissue which are in the same body. Not to mention that sex classification isn't based on chromosomes alone and there are various ways to determine gender - chromosomes, hormones, gonads, internal and external organs/genitalia. You can't pick one of them (eg chromosomes) and say this is what determines gender. People can be born with a mix of traits and sometimes genuinely are difficult to classify as one gender

This disorder is a) staggeringly rare and b) not about having both types of genitals, but genital tissue from the opposite reproductive pathway.

None of these individuals have anything close to two sets of functioning genitalia and the dominant reproductive pathway is still discernible - that is to say they are all either male or female.

Quite what that has to do with identifying as trans is anyone’s guess as there seems to be no over represention in trans identifying individuals.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · Yesterday 21:50

It would be amusing if all the few hundred individuals with this condition got together and signed an open letter asking not to be lumped in under the trans umbrella please, wouldn't it.

After all, how do you change from one sex to the other if you are already both? (Which, I know, they are not, but it seems the quickest way to put it.)

WonderfulSmith · Yesterday 22:20

Hippodrome · Yesterday 20:05

I said it was my experience among the ones I knew. Apart from the one who was in foster care (my sister who is two years younger than me also knew another mtf kid who was in foster care).

Couple people said in there experience it’s only rich white kids and I’m just saying the ones I knew spent the first half of their childhood well off and then parental divorce led to them no longer being well off and usually having to move to a cheaper neighbourhood. (In one case this kid was TERRIFIED of moving because pre divorce his parents had spoken about what a dump the place was) I actually lived there and it really wasn’t that bad lol but it’s the big adjustment right when you’re about to start high school. These kids must of all been in a very vulnerable state of mind.

I do agree with you that neurodivergence seems to be a theme too

But, could it be that children who are from non middle class or non white backgrounds find it harder to open up to family?

Hippodrome · Yesterday 22:50

WonderfulSmith · Yesterday 22:20

But, could it be that children who are from non middle class or non white backgrounds find it harder to open up to family?

I imagine saying “I’m the opposite sex” to religious Muslim parents from Bangladesh would be difficult.

Can’t speak for middle class per se. As I said my experience is (other than the kids in foster care) the ones I knew spent the first half of their childhood relatively well off before parents divorce led to them becoming a lot less well off for the rest of their childhood. Moving house and sometimes school. One kid was terrified to move to a new cheaper neighbourhood (where I lived so can vouch it really wasn’t that bad) because he’d spent years hearing his parents say how terrible it was. Amongst all that upheaval maybe they took comfort and distraction in a new gender identity.

Didn’t know any middle class trans kids who’d been middle class for their entire childhood.

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HauntingBillCrouse · Yesterday 23:32

I know so many trans people, which considering the apparently tiny percentage of trans people, and my not very wide social circle, is quite amazing. My family member - autistic. My child's partner - autistic. A friends 3 (yes, 3!) children - autistic. Another friends 2 children- autistic. Another friends child - autistic. Plus many teens that are friends with children of my friends. Autistic.

I see a theme here. How better to get a a group you finally fit into than declaring yourself autistic and spouting the script to everyone. All these parents say the same thing, repeated from what their children have told them, repeated from what I've read over and over online.

I'm autistic myself, never been gender conforming, alway struggled to find a group to fit into. My God, would I have done the same thing as a teen? Quite probably.

I just can't imagine agreeing with my child (or multiple children) that their body isn't perfect, and is wrong, and must be damaged with drugs and surgery. My children are perfect as they are in my eyes, that is their authentic self. Anything that make your remove or add body parts is not authentic.

I really hope this phase is over. And it is a phase. Because I only know teenagers and old men that are trans. Despite the claim that just as many middle aged women are suddenly declaring themselves trans I have seen no evidence for this. You'd think I'd know loads, having been to a girls school, but we're all still boring actual women.

mathanxiety · Today 00:13

Non binary is more of a trend where I live. The key look is short hair but after that, any colour is acceptable, and any style. Pronouns are they/ them. If teaching, the kids are to call them Teacher instead of Miss/ Mrs/ Ms. Most of the non binary individuals I've come across are in their early to mid 20s.

There was a mtf trans kid in the same year as one of my DDs (now 30). I saw this person (definitely dressed in masculine clothes) very much the worse for wear/ drugs begging on a train a few months ago. This was a kid who had mh issues even as a 10 year old. Very sad.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Today 00:55

localnotail · Yesterday 20:42

But it was always a dress, and he did not pretend he was a princess! He just wore dresses.

You've seen the boys section of clothes shops. Wall to wall Boring Beige. Dresses in school dressing up boxes tend not to be ordinary dresses- they're extra-colourful and extra-sparkly dresses. It's no surprise that small children are drawn to them, especially if their normal clothes are all shades of sludge. Perhaps he'll grow up to be a fashion designer, or like that tailor who makes all his own clothes and dresses entirely in 18th century fashions. Or an artist. Or perhaps he's just a child who likes sparkly things and will grow out of it.

DistanceCall · Today 02:08

I'm Spanish. The NB movement has fortunately made very little progress there, despite repeated attempts from the left, because Spanish has grammatical gender – pronouns, nouns but also adjectives all are masculine or feminine. So you have to use made-up forms for all that.

E.g. "los niños" means "the boys". "Las niñas" means "the girls". A former Minister gave a speech talking about "les niñes" (a made-up form in Spanish) to refer to so-called trans and non-gender-conforming children, and we're still laughing about it. It makes the ridiculousness of it self-evident.

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