Is the trans kids trend over? Aibu to wonder what happened to the kids caught up in it in the 2010s?

You aren’t replying to me but you do realise the NHS was issuing cross sex hormones to 16 and 17 year olds?

How do we know a kid is ‘genuinely’ trans? We simply don’t. There’s no test. No definitive criteria. It’s just ‘a feeling’. Sadly, that idea has taken root and instead of accepting gender non conforming kids as they are, we’ve given in to the idea that they can change ‘gender’. They can’t, and to mislead kids in this way is both cruel and damaging.

Under 18s have never been allowed to medically transition. Please don’t opine on something you know nothing about.

This is a lie. Prescription of puberty blockers for gender incongruence is illegal in the UK & cross sex hormones for under 18s are forbidden on the NHS but there are private providers either UK based or overseas who will do anything for money supply testosterone or oestrogen etc to under 18s.

You might want to check that before being quite so condescending. NHS England’s own policy allowed cross-sex hormones for 16 and 17-year-olds, and puberty blockers were also prescribed to under-18s. NHS England itself describes cross-sex hormones as being given “as part of a medical transition”.
You can certainly argue about terminology or whether those treatments should have been available, but “under-18s have never been allowed to medically transition” is simply not factually correct.

https://www.them.us/story/jeffrey-epstein-robert-trivers-transgender-research-emails

Lots more if you Google.

From experience (DD is in her 20s and is on a waiting list for reconstructive surgery on her knee), it's because limping is seen as somebody has hurt themselves and struggling means they're putting the effort in, whereas using a stick is seen as being disabled, not trying hard enough without assistance and the user is therefore lazy.

Unless they're male. Then it's always assumed to be due to an injury.

My DC is a teacher and has never come across it. Not a private school but in a smart commuter village in the NE where the majority of parents are well off and low deprivation. ADHD and autism, on the other hand, seem prevalent. I feel like ADHD is less of a middle class thing.

None of them have social media accounts? No… they don’t have ones that you may know of.

I'm not sure but I was out in my local city the other day and spotted no less than seven young men who were attempting to present as female. They were not doing to well on that front.

Interesting article here How Having a Disability Became Cool.

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/9dce51f79879bcb0

What was this in response to?

My trans (ftm)autistic kid was in an specialist autistic school

not one of his autistic friends identify any more as their natal sex.

all are trans, some mtf, some ftm , many non binary

he has other friends of course not from his school and they are a mixture of straight, trans, bi, gay but EVERYONE of the autistic friends identify as trans.

I had three girls all in the one secondary school who identified as male.

Two had typical short haircuts for a girl, I'd say; the third was 'stealth', had transferred from another school and had a short back and sides.

She was quite a big girl and wore baggy shorts, top and a baseball cap. (The boys wouldn't have been allowed to dress like that in school, I must say.)

She was excused P.E. and used the disabled toilets. The boys found out when she told them that she was trans.

She very rarely attended school, so I suspect that there were various issues there.

I've said elsewhere on these boards that - so far as the girls who were openly trans were concerned - their pals seemed to be more invested in their trans identity than they were. They both used the girls' toilets and girls' changing facilities for PE.

I'm aware of one former pupil who went through a MtF transition round about 2000. My understanding is that they've had all the surgeries.

There were two men dressed as women wandering about M&S in Princes Street, Edinburgh one time last year. Both rather tall, even for men. One looked to be in his 50s, judging by the combover and grey hair. (It was dyed purple, but had worn off.)

My impression was that they were looking to be noticed, given their body language.

I haven't seen any young MtF recently. The former pupil that I mentioned in a previous post was at uni when he began to transition. He must be in his late 40s or early 50s by now.

If they are not medical, what exactly are puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones?

The Tavistock was certainly handing those out pretty freely; enough to alarm some of their staff and lead eventually to their resignation after whistleblowing failed to have any effect.

GIDS did a study on puberty blockers which began in 2011 and enrolled 44 children aged between 12 and 15 over the following three years. At the time, only those aged 16 and over were eligible for puberty blockers in the UK. When they were compelled to give up the data on that study, it revealed that all but one of these children went on to take cross-sex hormones. (There was no control group for this study, which in itself should raise questions.) They treated at least a thousand children, that is, people under thee age of eighteen. There are no records of what later became of these children, because the Tavistock didn't keep those.

The place was specifically founded to be for patients under eighteen. "The Tavistock clinic, named the Gender and Identity Development Service (GIDS), was launched in 1989 to help people aged 17 and under struggling with their gender identity." Keira Bell was treated there and prescribed puberty blockers when she was sixteen (by which time it was way too late to stop her from going through much of her puberty) and testosterone injections a year later, when she would have been seventeen.

Did you mean surgically? She didn't have the double mastectomy until she was twenty.

A pp up thread asked why Epstein would be interested in trans people?
When a pervert and sexual predator becomes bored they look for their next kick.
Chole cole addresses this in her podcast with Dr Soh.
One of the mtf people I employed was passed from man to man without love but for kinks. A very unhappy individual. You'd be surprised how many married men wanted to see them naked.
The other mtf employee was very old school. You would look twice due to the height and the hands but everyone was supportive and they were very private.
So my story up thread was even a shock to me with some limited knowledge.

Because one of the things the trans agenda does is set out to subvert child safeguarding, at a guess. All too successfully in many ways: "it will be our secret, we won't tell your parents" used to be the line pursued by a sexual abuser, not a child's teachers, for God's sake! Children used to be taught that any man encouraging them to keep his behaviour a secret from their parents was up to no good however nice he might seem; not any longer.

Also puberty blocking arrests child development. It's not hard to imagine what kind of people would be interested in keeping children in a pre-pubescent state.

@lifeturnsonadime spot on.

Oh yes, that too. And not telling anyone about the kiddy-fiddler who said it would be their secret would add to the thrill, wouldn't it.

(why are some men so vile? why do they enjoy destroying others?)

The only genuine case I know of is still living as a man now in his late teens, born female. My now ex boyfriends daughter and 4 of her best friends are strangely now happier they 'stayed' female as if anyone believed any of them. My kids went through educate together schools in Ireland where you can be anyone you want and there are a very tiny minority of trans kids in that school. I do think it was a trend like when I was in secondary school the 'trend' was to be bisexual. None of mine have had any trends so far and as they are all just out of their teens now I am not seeing it happen. I do think that there are genuine cases of course but some kids will try anything to push back or to get attention and as a solo mum I am delighted none of mine felt that need.

Oh I know who he is. Unfortunately I know more about GLP than I would like. I just had no idea he was a MN NED.

Yet again, MN sorely disappoints. If it wasnt for all of the wonderful FWR members, I'd have left here long ago - and if not, this would definitely have sealed the deal.

"some kids will try anything to push back or to get attention"

Oh lord yes. I remember my mother in the late sixties remarking in an amused way that people in their teens and early twenties at the time were very keen on being individualists and expressing their true selves, which they did by all having long hair, dressing identically in jeans and a sweater (in winter, a t-shirt in summer) and loudly supporting the same causes. This applied equally to the male and the female clones, she added thoughtfully.

A few years after that she pointed out that tattoos were the first adolescent fashion during her lifetime that the people who got them would be stuck with for the rest of their lives. (In those days removal was difficult and very expensive.) Piercings could be allowed to grow back, and would, but tattoos were not so easy to pretend had never happened. (And you might go off Maisie.)

Kids with trans issues was mainly a fashionable trend. Life has moved on.