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Whats the point of consent and asking permission if you get lied to

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MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 17:52

Whats the point of consent and permission ? friends meal and they cover the cost, they said here is x amount get what you want, so permission is asked what the limit is eg £20 and i can get whatever food / takeaway with it, the yes permission is given that i can buy what i want within the budget.

turns out a day or two after wards a sarcastic comment was made because i had 2 jacket potatoes with different toppings, so i said why is that an issue and it turns out that they still thought id get one instead of two ,

so i said i asked permission of what the budget was and i did ask what i could get then all i got was oh id still thought you would get 1 so i said why then say i can get x why not just say and be honest.

i guess this is more me moaning but why do people do this, say yes to x then they actually want you do to x instead its like why ?

before anyone asks we usually do a weekly meal out, and no they are fairly wealthy

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MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 18:33

Twinkylightsg · Yesterday 18:31

OP if you were on your own, eating there not taking away anything. Would you order two jacket potatoes to eat yourself and pay for that?

Not saying you wouldn't. Just trying to understand and maybe provide better insight.

yes i would because to me one on its own and the size they were is not a meal its more a snack

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AnneLovesGilbert · Yesterday 18:34

Fascinating friendship. You accept a weekly free meal from this person while criticising their generosity. Can I ask why the feed you weekly? Do they feel responsible for you in some way? Do you have access to your own money?

Happyjoe · Yesterday 18:35

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 18:27

fair points i understand what everyone is saying but in my view its like why not say the budget is x and its for one meal etc

Normally people don't need to spell it out. In your case it seems they did!

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 18:35

Newbutoldfather · Yesterday 18:33

@MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe ,

I agree with you about one baked potato not really being a meal.

But, how did you get into this situation with your friend? Is she older/much better off than you?

It is unusual for one person to always pay, but there are circumstances where it happens. I am just curious.

I can see why she might think you were taking advantage though, if you were well in budget, I wouldn’t think that. But, equally, she was rude to tell you off.

i used to take a friend’s (adult, working) daughter out to dinner regularly and, as I was much better off, I always paid, but she did tend to order lobster and steak, so her meal was about twice mine! I paid graciously but did think that she should have been more tactful with her ordering. So, it works both ways.

its more a weekly catchup and they offered to begin with and even if i offer they still say its there treat so then i wanted specifics so in theory i didnt take the biscuit, all i expected was why give an answer that apparently grants permission, and then retrospectively apply a restriction that was never communicated?

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BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 18:36

So if they had said ‘just get what you like’ and not given a figure would you have spent loads more?

it’s just not polite to accept someone’s generosity and then treat it like an all you can eat

murasaki · Yesterday 18:36

Calling them tight when they just you lunch weekly is so rude.

And you ordered two lunches.

Now given I do believe you have autism, that's not an excuse for your behaviour. When you offer to buy, you need to insist one week. If you did that, how would you feel if they bought two lunches?

category12 · Yesterday 18:37

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 18:35

its more a weekly catchup and they offered to begin with and even if i offer they still say its there treat so then i wanted specifics so in theory i didnt take the biscuit, all i expected was why give an answer that apparently grants permission, and then retrospectively apply a restriction that was never communicated?

Are they a parent-figure to you?

MatildaTheCat · Yesterday 18:39

So if you decided to pay for once and your friend checked the budget and you said £20, she went up and came back with 20 bags of crisps, what would you say or think?

Her argument is that she wasn’t actually hungry but does really like crisps so stocked up for a couple of weeks, thanks @MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe .

You might view that differently and think she was a cheeky fucker.

But you didn’t specify what she could buy because it’s usually perfectly obvious that hat you buy one item for lunch when having a hot meal.

Throwaway65131 · Yesterday 18:39

This is totally the opposite to what I’d do. Someone else is paying I get the cheapest smallest thing I can find so as not to put them out even if it means I’m hungry or it’s not what I wanted. You don’t take advantage of someone else’s kindness. They probably didn’t put restrictions on it to be polite and you should also be polite not seeing it as an all you can eat up to x value or a company offering free vouchers, this is your friend being overly generous. Also it’s your turn to pay for the next however many times you go out.

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 18:39

murasaki · Yesterday 18:36

Calling them tight when they just you lunch weekly is so rude.

And you ordered two lunches.

Now given I do believe you have autism, that's not an excuse for your behaviour. When you offer to buy, you need to insist one week. If you did that, how would you feel if they bought two lunches?

if they asked me like i asked them two questions
whats the budget
and can i get what i want
then if they did get eg 3 pizzas under budget then id be ok because thats what i said they could do

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Brawsome · Yesterday 18:41

People are really piling on here, it’s quite unpleasant to read. OP checked the budget, made an effort to stay under budget, and is now getting a hammering from so many of you. No need for any of this. OP was just looking for a bit of reassurance. I see no problem with two baked potatoes. At all.

murasaki · Yesterday 18:42

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 18:39

if they asked me like i asked them two questions
whats the budget
and can i get what i want
then if they did get eg 3 pizzas under budget then id be ok because thats what i said they could do

Its a limit, not a target , do you see the difference? Ordering two lunches is weird, and i can understand why they thought it was. They are very nice to you, amd you took the piss. They may stop being so nice. Insist on paying for one per month at the very least.

BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 18:43

It’s pretty obvious the friend is feeling taken advantage of

Newbutoldfather · Yesterday 18:44

From AI one medium sized topped baked potato is about 300 calories. Is that really lunch/dinner to most of you?!

I think what feels weird to most on here is one friend asking a budget to another. But we don’t know the nature of the friendship, so maybe it is fine in context.

But it is also rude to make an offer and then openly criticise someone who takes it up, even if they miss the correct etiquette.

trailerT · Yesterday 18:44

Why don’t you treat them next time by way of an apology

Blimms · Yesterday 18:44

Brawsome · Yesterday 18:41

People are really piling on here, it’s quite unpleasant to read. OP checked the budget, made an effort to stay under budget, and is now getting a hammering from so many of you. No need for any of this. OP was just looking for a bit of reassurance. I see no problem with two baked potatoes. At all.

OP, literally asked if she was being unreasonable, and so the responses she has had are fine.

I guess there’s the option not to read the thread if the replies are so unpleasant.

NorthernPaws · Yesterday 18:45

Unless you are a child,I don’t think it’s normal to ask someone what the budget limit is when they are treating you. Normal etiquette would be to have one meal and thank them afterwards (and probably return the favour next time).

ShetlandishMum · Yesterday 18:45

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 18:39

if they asked me like i asked them two questions
whats the budget
and can i get what i want
then if they did get eg 3 pizzas under budget then id be ok because thats what i said they could do

But obviously your friend thinks different than you.

Thingsthatgo · Yesterday 18:45

If you had said, ‘I fancy jacket potato and I am really hungry - do you mind if I order two?’ They probably would have said, yes that’s fine. But the way you went about it - asking for your food budget from someone who treats you to food every single week, seems grabby. It appears to your very generous benefactor that you are trying to get the most out of their kindness - milking them.
That is why you should not order two meals (even if you think they are not filling, they are still a meal).

rwalker · Yesterday 18:46

It’s like being offered a drink and saying I’ll have a double

it’s rude

category12 · Yesterday 18:46

Brawsome · Yesterday 18:41

People are really piling on here, it’s quite unpleasant to read. OP checked the budget, made an effort to stay under budget, and is now getting a hammering from so many of you. No need for any of this. OP was just looking for a bit of reassurance. I see no problem with two baked potatoes. At all.

But clearly it was a bit of a problem to the friend who was buying.

I think OP needs a bit of steering as to social norms, as she might well piss off this friend and lose them, if she continues to keep taking meals from them and never reciprocating. It's so weird to be asking what budget and never treating back in return.

AMurderofMurderingCrows · Yesterday 18:47

OP I think you're getting a hard time. It's not like you ordered two fillet steaks with chips and truffle sauce.

Also, everyone has an appetite of a sparrow on here so to be able to eat TWO medium potatoes is shocking 😂

It seems that you take things quite literally and perhaps your friend was having a laugh with you about having two potatoes rather than being annoyed about it.

The only thing I would suggest is insist on paying next time as a nice treat for your friend. And you can order what you like because you are paying ☺️

Joyunlimited · Yesterday 18:47

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 17:57

true but then why not say that why say get what you want ect because to me 2 poatoes and toppings is not 2 meals, yes to some it may be

Rightly or wrongly, it looks greedy. It’s certainly unusual.

ShetlandishMum · Yesterday 18:47

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 18:33

yes i would because to me one on its own and the size they were is not a meal its more a snack

Wouldn't a snack be fine? You are not paying and ordering two seems rude tbh.

MrsOctaviaCharlotteSmythe · Yesterday 18:47

rwalker · Yesterday 18:46

It’s like being offered a drink and saying I’ll have a double

it’s rude

but when they say have what ever you want and the budget is x then why should how many be a factor ? as long as its under budget

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