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Have I failed financially? What is the norm?

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Cantering87 · 06/08/2026 22:19

Can I ask if there is anyone in here that is in the same boat as me?

So, I read thread after thread where people ask questions about things like their adult children paying board and overwhelmingly the depends is to take it and save it for them. I think that’s wonderful but I often wonder if the demographic is very different to the people around me. Not many of my friends could afford to do that and none of us have made really poor life choices or anything, we’ve just been working and plodding away. We’ve done all the things we were told we should do like buying a home etc but with the cost of living there’s really not much left after the bills. I’m not out here in designer clothes or anything, I don’t do without but I certainly don’t treat myself very often, keep eating out at a minimum, no smoking, drinking or expensive hobbies.

Same with meeting up with your adult children. Everyone seems to be able to afford to always treat their kids to coffee and lunch but I simply can’t afford that every time I meet up with mine and I feel so guilty about it. They expect it and I don’t really know how to break that.

My children seem to also think this is the norm despite me not being wealthy.

Where am I going wrong? Is anyone else just getting by? Not broke but not able to be overly genius with money? My disabled son put £1 in a charity box yesterday without checking with me and I felt really gutted. Then I felt so guilty because it’s charity for goodness sake, I should be at a point in my life where I can do that.

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BunnyLake · Yesterday 11:08

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You’ve done very well to pull yourself up from your bootstraps (as my old aunt would say) but wealthy or not, it doesn’t cost anything to be a more understanding. Due to circumstances out of my control (ex became an alcoholic when we had young children) my finances and living standards as a newly single mum took an enormous hit. It’s taken years and a bit of fortunate circumstances to finally be able to treat my (now adult) kids to a decent lunch, for years I couldn’t even buy a lottery ticket. Not that long ago I felt very angsty because I went out with a friend and spent £7 on tea and cake, I was kicking myself for my extravagance. But I never felt like a failure, I was just dealing with the hand I had. OP shouldn’t feel like a failure either and I don’t know what you get out of telling her she is.

herbetta · Yesterday 11:13

Cantering87 · 06/08/2026 22:29

This is similar to me. Breakdown in relationship so had to split everything and start again. So I own a home but there’s not much spare money at all. I work a job that used to be considered well paid and is well respected (or used to be) but honestly the cost of just existing is so high it’s just so hard. I am eating good food, there’s a roof over our heads but I can’t afford to be generous when I would like to be.

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Are you claiming everything you're entitled to, including disability benefits & being tax efficient, on social tariffs etc? Do you know what's coming in & going out every month? Do you take advantage of deals/offers, loyalty schemes, employee benefit schemes, discounted gift vouchers, cashback etc etc?

Shinckle · Yesterday 11:16

I'm with @TheSoapyFrog that you might just need to spell it out. We all have an unconscious bias towards assuming people are more calculating than they actually are. You see your children as adults now which is a different situation to when they were small, but to them they are still themselves and you are still mum who bought them nearly everything they owned their whole lives. And possibly eating out doesn't feel affordable to them yet - successfully "launching" doesn't necessarily mean you have loads of disposable income.

I would approach it that it's fairer to them to bring this to their attention than to "politely" wait for it to occur to them. They're young, they still need some guidance, this is you guiding.

Maybe pay next time but bring up the subject. Explain that it's just too expensive X2. Say I'll get this but how do you want to do it next time, do you want to take turns or shall we split it? Or meet at the park instead.

Melograno · Yesterday 11:32

How old are they @Cantering87
If they are back from Uni I think you are being really unfair
Its always like this in families where there are too many children, the adults blame the older children and call them greedy/ entitled just for wanting normal things
If they are older and working then you need to speak up, you are calling them entitled but it was you who raised them ...

Cantering87 · Yesterday 11:40

Trickedbyadoughnut · Yesterday 09:51

I'm in my 40s and my mum pays for stuff when we're out BUT she can afford to without going without and I will always sneakily pay from time to time and for other stuff and spoil her on special occasions to pay it back, and I am always very grateful and thank her for paying.

Honestly, next time lunch plans out come up I'd say something along the lines of, that would be lovely, I'm looking forward to seeing you, but I'm afraid things are tight and I'll only be able to pay for myself. Or we could have a picnic instead?

That’s nice, I bet your Mum secretly loves it when you pay occasionally, not because she can’t afford to but because it is an act of love and I actually don’t ever experience that and it’s a bit sad really.

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Cantering87 · Yesterday 11:41

kirinm · Yesterday 09:44

If your children don’t understand or aren’t willing to understand why it might not be feasible for you to pay for everything they’re sounding a bit entitled.

Y they appreciate that you’re a one income family?! I wouldn’t expect my mum to pay for me to go out to dinner and actively wouldn’t accept it if she tried to pay.

how old are they?

Mid 20’s.

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Melograno · Yesterday 11:44

Cantering87 · Yesterday 11:40

That’s nice, I bet your Mum secretly loves it when you pay occasionally, not because she can’t afford to but because it is an act of love and I actually don’t ever experience that and it’s a bit sad really.

I think this is probably the way to talk to them, you are sad you cant afford to pay for them but thats the reality, rather than blame/ entitled comments
Im sure they will be fine with that

Cantering87 · Yesterday 11:44

TheRealMagic · Yesterday 09:45

When you meet up with the older child(ren?) are the younger child(ren?) normally there too? I can see that that makes the dynamic harder as obviously you need to pay for the younger ones but you're then in the situation that you're paying for some but not all of your children. I can see why it's awkward to ask them to pay for their own ice cream if you're buying all the others (it would be awkward if it was just a friend, really, to pay for the whole group except one even though it's obvious that you have financial responsibility for all but that one).

Probably 50% if the time but it doesn’t make any difference to how it all plays out if you know what I mean.

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Cantering87 · Yesterday 11:47

TheRealMagic · Yesterday 09:59

Could you not have said that you were going up to the bar to order yours? What happened about the other people who were there to witness - surely they ordered separately, so there was already a situation where there wasn't one order for the whole table?

I’m trying not to be too outing. The other person paid for their separately and I paid for the rest. I know I should say ‘are you coming to order yours or do you want to sort the money out afterwards.’ But I feel so guilty that it’s even an issue.

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OrangeSlices998 · Yesterday 11:49

Cantering87 · Yesterday 11:47

I’m trying not to be too outing. The other person paid for their separately and I paid for the rest. I know I should say ‘are you coming to order yours or do you want to sort the money out afterwards.’ But I feel so guilty that it’s even an issue.

Even if you were absolutely loaded it’s still so embarrassing for your kids to just assume lunch is paid for without asking or ever offering/paying for themselves. Nip it in the bud OP!

Tedsnan1 · Yesterday 11:50

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Well aren't you lovely?

Cantering87 · Yesterday 11:52

WhatToWearMilan · Yesterday 10:08

This is an interesting topic op

My parents did v well in business when i was a teen / early 20s & they always paid for me & my sibling

Now they're old & we live far from each other & me & my dh mostly pay for meals etc when we meet up.

We have a young adult in university & we pay for everything still

I had not really given this much thought but sort of thought that when they get a job & are earning to support themselves then it might change a bit

Do your adult children work?

Yes they work and earn more than I do. Of course they have the added pressure of higher rent / mortgages than I benefitted from.

Without being too outing, these are not children that flew the nest very recently or recent graduates.

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kirinm · Yesterday 11:54

Cantering87 · Yesterday 11:41

Mid 20’s.

They are definitely old enough to appreciate why you might not be able to fund everything for them. I think you need to bite the bullet and make the position clear.

JustGiveMeReason · Yesterday 12:01

Cantering87 · Yesterday 09:38

Was it an awkward conversation? I just can’t even imagine saying it. It makes me feel like such a failure and I almost feel resentful that they wouldn’t realise without me saying it out loud. They can see that I am already paying for 3 people to eat, they can hear me saying ‘ooh that’s a good deal, I’ll get that for the younger ones.’ They can see me having the cheapest thing on the menu. I’m not out here hiding my financial status, I openly say things like ‘I’m trying not to spend as much money so we’re taking a picnic to the park.’ It makes me feel so tight though but everything is so expensive. I can afford to buy a couple of ice creams for example but when there’s a 3rd (most expensive ice cream available usually) one added and before you know it I’ve spent £15-£20 on a day out where I was actively trying to save money by packing lunch and saying ‘I’m trying to do it cheaply’ and no one’s exactly having the best time are they? It’s a park at the end of the day, it’s fine but it’s a couple of hours out of the house at best. I find myself going without when we go anywhere so that it makes it more affordable when they invariably say they will have an ice cream / most expensive drink / food on the menu and don’t offer to get their own. I’m getting upset thinking about it actually. I just knew to offer to get my own drink / food at that age, if my Mum then offered - great. I’ve started making excuses not to go out now but then I’m stuck with hosting for hours on end where I can’t relax and I’m not in control of when everyone leaves and sometimes it’s easier to meet up so I can leave when I need to and do the rest of what I need to achieve for the day.

This ^

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I have never set a precedent to pay, I never say ‘I’ll get these.’ They just sit there. The last time we went out I left it an uncomfortably long time to see if they offered to go and order. They just hang back! I know I shouldn’t ask what they’re having but after an awkward age of just sitting there I just always end up saying ‘what do you want?’ because I’m literally walking to the bar or counter

is just odd. They are your dc. Why can't you just communicate with them ? Confused

I have no qualms at all at saying to my dc "Anyone want to join us a X for a meal? It is 'every man for themselves' ". Or I'd have no issue either going to the bar to order for me and the 10 yr old at that sort of pub, or saying to one of the adult dc, 'Can you order them so they arrive together - I'm having the fish and chips and dc wants the nuggets - here's our money' and hand over £25 or whatever covers yours. With the ice creams in the park, mine have been brought up on us nipping into the supermarket for a box of ice lollies so we'd never get to that, but if they wanted expensive ice creams from a van I'd be saying 'Knock yourselves out. I'll wait here with the bags' .

I don't understand how you can be in a situation where you are on good terms with your dc, but not be able to speak openly to them.

topcat2014 · Yesterday 12:08

I saw a meme the other day that said something like "everything is all inclusive when dad comes" -

mondaytosunday · Yesterday 12:21

Of course it depends on circumstances! I can afford to treat my kids (one at uni, one lives on his own but minimum wage). My uni DD has more ready savings than I do because she’s super frugal, and would rather walk two miles than pay for the bus. She will likely live with me after graduation as we are in London - unless she gets a well paying job I won’t charge her rent, I know she’ll be saving hard for a masters or when she eventually moves out on her own. But I won’t be paying any extras - she’ll pay for all her expenses, so other than food she won’t be costing me much.
My son I treat to a supermarket shop when I visit and if we go out to eat, because he couldn’t afford to eat out. I think it’s money well spent. But as I said, I can afford it!
My parents were quite well off when they passed away. But in our youth my mother had to borrow money on occasion to pay for our school uniforms, and I remember one Christmas we were in a one bed flat (there are five of us) and one sister and I slept in the livingroom. If we had been older and working we would have contributed to our keep for sure!

Cantering87 · Yesterday 12:42

JustGiveMeReason · Yesterday 12:01

This ^

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I have never set a precedent to pay, I never say ‘I’ll get these.’ They just sit there. The last time we went out I left it an uncomfortably long time to see if they offered to go and order. They just hang back! I know I shouldn’t ask what they’re having but after an awkward age of just sitting there I just always end up saying ‘what do you want?’ because I’m literally walking to the bar or counter

is just odd. They are your dc. Why can't you just communicate with them ? Confused

I have no qualms at all at saying to my dc "Anyone want to join us a X for a meal? It is 'every man for themselves' ". Or I'd have no issue either going to the bar to order for me and the 10 yr old at that sort of pub, or saying to one of the adult dc, 'Can you order them so they arrive together - I'm having the fish and chips and dc wants the nuggets - here's our money' and hand over £25 or whatever covers yours. With the ice creams in the park, mine have been brought up on us nipping into the supermarket for a box of ice lollies so we'd never get to that, but if they wanted expensive ice creams from a van I'd be saying 'Knock yourselves out. I'll wait here with the bags' .

I don't understand how you can be in a situation where you are on good terms with your dc, but not be able to speak openly to them.

Yes it’s an issue I agree. My childhood was dysfunctional to say the least and I’ve grown up believing I’m always wrong and I constantly feel guilty for any failings (not their fault) but I definitely need to get better at communicating.

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Cantering87 · Yesterday 12:43

topcat2014 · Yesterday 12:08

I saw a meme the other day that said something like "everything is all inclusive when dad comes" -

Yes, I am seeing a shift towards this with younger generations. Clearly not all of them though looking at this thread.

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Cantering87 · Yesterday 13:00

OrangeSlices998 · Yesterday 11:49

Even if you were absolutely loaded it’s still so embarrassing for your kids to just assume lunch is paid for without asking or ever offering/paying for themselves. Nip it in the bud OP!

Do you think so? I think I’m so conditioned to thinking I’m in the wrong that I always think that I must be the only one that can’t afford to do this and shouldn’t have these feelings. I don’t want to feel resentful. I have learnt a lot from this thread and I hope people can see that I’m not actually defensive. I’ve taken loads of points on board like communicating better etc. I wonder what they are seeing their in laws and friends parents do when they go out to eat.

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OrangeSlices998 · Yesterday 13:05

Cantering87 · Yesterday 13:00

Do you think so? I think I’m so conditioned to thinking I’m in the wrong that I always think that I must be the only one that can’t afford to do this and shouldn’t have these feelings. I don’t want to feel resentful. I have learnt a lot from this thread and I hope people can see that I’m not actually defensive. I’ve taken loads of points on board like communicating better etc. I wonder what they are seeing their in laws and friends parents do when they go out to eat.

My PIL have more money than us, so yes FIL typically pays but we never assume, always offer and say thank you! And we reciprocate too. We would never sit in a cafe where you go up to order and just sit there expecting PIL to go up and order and pay for us!

I think it’s about being honest - if you can’t afford it, you can’t afford it. Hopefully your kids appreciate that it is more expensive than ever to go out for lunch. If they’re both working it’s honestly not a crime to not pay for them! Don’t beat yourself up, like I say I think the biggest difference here is the expectation and never ever reciprocating from your kids. You’re worth more than that!

PDAalltheway · Yesterday 13:05

My parents are well off due to a combination of circumstances and could certainly pay for us if we went for a meal out or coffee, but we almost never did that. They live frugally and it wouldn't occur to them (or us) to meet up over something that cost money. We would just go to each other's houses - much cheaper and more relaxing.

Cantering87 · Yesterday 13:11

Moonnstarz · Yesterday 10:31

So who initiates going to these places? Surely someone must say let's have lunch? If it's you, then I can see why they think you are paying as you are suggesting it, but if it's them saying let's go here then you can put a stop to it by saying sorry no, moneys a bit tight.

Who are these other people who are observing this? Family?

Ok. I’m trying really hard not to out myself.

I have considered that it might be because I was the one saying ‘do you want to meet at so and so place.’ So I stopped that, I don’t suggest that anymore. However, even when we have met at the park for example my children have said they would meet us and even with a picnic and blankets and my best efforts I still would like to buy myself a coffee sometimes and the younger ones an ice cream sometimes. That’s not out of my budget during the holidays so I’m not in poverty but I also cannot afford lots of extras. but then I feel obliged (I know now that I shouldn’t and need to stop) to ask them if they want one. At this point as an adult I would have passed the money for mine to my Mum or offered to go to the van and buy my own or accepted her offer to pay with a thank you.

This particular time (think the £1 in the charity box tipped me over the edge 😂) it was an immediate family member that suggested we meet whilst me and all my children were present. There was never any mention of that person paying and they paid for themself only which is what I would have expected. I’ve already stopped suggesting we go anywhere together. But that’s awful really because if everyone paid their way this is something that we could all afford (now and again) and we like to get out of the house. I should add that one of the children will ask what we’re doing and invite themselves along, thus making anything I buy while we’re out more expensive than planned. The only answer I now realise is to buy absolutely nothing while we’re out or be firm and have what I consider a difficult conversation.

Does that make sense? How does anyone ever meet up with anyone else that entails buying a snack or drink without the other person thinking that the suggester will pay? 🤯

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Cantering87 · Yesterday 13:12

PDAalltheway · Yesterday 13:05

My parents are well off due to a combination of circumstances and could certainly pay for us if we went for a meal out or coffee, but we almost never did that. They live frugally and it wouldn't occur to them (or us) to meet up over something that cost money. We would just go to each other's houses - much cheaper and more relaxing.

Yes this is the way forward.

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AbzMoz · Yesterday 13:19

Bil (40s) always assumes his parents will pay. It’s so infuriating and frankly embarrassing. He definitely does the waiting it out routine, pops to the loo when the bill is coming, asks for last min add-ons… it’s as subtle as a clown in a lift.
Recently DH and dfil have adopted a mini script of just saying ‘split this three ways’ the second the bill comes. Of course Bil/Sil always order the most expensive drinks, meals, extra dessert etc and have children too… it’s just pure entitlement. If it just us and pils we take turns and don’t keep count.

My parents pay for specific things when we stay (eg the chippy, and some drinks or treats me and DH like). We always bring stuff with us and I usually pay when we are out.

I agree you need to engineer situations where you’ll get yours and the u18, and they sort themselves. Or just make clear that you and u18 have brought snacks but if they want to get xyz go ahead. Let them go first, and make clear you don’t want anything, but then afterwards change your mind and just sort you and u18 after.

Maybe you can also have adult money conversations with them - I cant believe that the mortgage is now up to x; I’ve had to pay x on school uniforms etc; we can’t afford a holiday this year so we are going to do a day trip to the seaside if you’d like to come along I’ll share train times…

also in case you need to hear it - you’re doing great and it’s tough!

Shatenoeuf · Yesterday 13:19

Cantering87 · 06/08/2026 23:35

Indeed. I didn’t envision the life I have. I’ve worked since I was 16, worked 24 hours a week as a single Mum whilst studying full time at college and then university to ‘better myself’ only for my salary to now look paltry compared to what I see on here. Comparison is the thief of joy as they say.

How are you at maths? Do you understand things like inflation & how much your earnings need to be constantly rising just to say the same?

I don't mean to be unkind but posters sometimes come on here & say "I've got a decent salary why do i feel poor". And it will emerge they earn under 30k, which these days is not much more than minimum wage. Often their wage hasnt risen much in a decade, and is now worth quite a lot less than it was. People often struggle to fully grasp how much inflation reduces the value of their earnings.

Eg if you earned 30k in 2016, you need to earn at least £42k now just to keep up with cpi inflation. In reality, rpi is higher, plus that inflation rate is a mix of essentials and non essential goods and services and they are constantly messing with the "basket of goods" it is based on. I track prices on my food shopping, fuel & energy rates etc & in my view, inflation on really essential stuff is higher. I think you need nearer 50k to match what a 30k wage bought you in 2016, especially allowing for fiscal drag/higher tax burdens due to tax threshholds not keeping up with inflation.

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