AIBU to think PC Harper's killers being released early is awful?

Why focus on one murder are there not other murderers potentially set for release? It would make more of an impact if they said 40 murderers set for early release rather than focus on one police officers death especially since there is a lot of negative feelings towards the police lately (yes im sure he was "one of the good ones" but people see a uniform first)

I was looking at the graph of imprisonment shown on newsnight last night and I don’t understand the premise that prison places will increase over the next few years. Looking at the last few years, the numbers have bounced up and down but a broadly straight line trajectory across the period. Then suddenly from next year there is predicted a precipitous rise.

Ive not seen any explanation of the modelling for this.

Secondly, if the modelling IS correct, over 36% of places in the women prison estate is for theft from shops. (It’s 2-3% in male estate). About half of the steady long term women prisoners are there for violence offences, but the rest fall to drugs- usually tied to addiction and or coercive control by men. The women’s estate is small, but I think c. 2000 places could be freed up if these women were released instead.

I don’t believe the S Act cannot be quickly amended to carve out the small group of further offences these criminals fall into- I would be looking at something based on aggravating features and link to emergency workers, almost makes it bespoke. I do wonder what other awful crimes committed by criminals this Act will release which haven’t hit the headlines or don’t have the advocacy PC Harper has. I’m really sorry for victims and their families who will be affected by this, it doesn’t feel like justice, does it?

I certainly do not understand why the men in charge are even considering releasing violent prisoners, even if it is of the kind of violence that affects women more than men, while there are petty thieves there that could be released first. Do they give a shit about law and order in this country or not, and if not how do we break the country up into regions that will.

Why don’t they immediately deport all foreign nationals in British prisons . Obviously not terrorists or murderers. That would free up space and to be honest they have proved they should not have leave to remain here .

Thames Valley Police considering taking legal action against the government over the release of Bowers and Cole.

Chief of Pc Harper’s force considers legal block on killers’ release

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/1422ee36cbec8a08

It’s an absolute disgrace to even consider them fit for release. I’ve already signed a petition against it. I hope they serve their full sentence.

I said that upthread. It'd never work apparently as how will we know if foreign countries continue the sentence. The pp seemingly unaware of negotiations and making deals is exactly what governments should be doing not sending killers on their way with a now you be good rap on the knuckles.

It does seem incredible particularly as a pp linked earlier that the site where the feral criminals lived had a £4.5m public money funded revamp. Put the 4.5m towards secure buildings not snazzing up these sites producing violent criminals.

I was thinking the same, surely they aren't eligible if they've never shown remorse etc.

But there must be other people who are less dangerous who could be released first. I just don't get it.

They'll offend again and be back inside. The sooner the better.

How should I know. Let’s hope they don’t get out for years and years.

The law needs to be changed to reflect the views of normal people, not smug lawyers. After all it is the normal people who suffer the consequences of crime, and for that matter who pay for it all.

Ignoring things like human rights for a moment - a pretty major hurdle with all deportations is that you need the country who would be receiving the deported individual to facilitate it. The idea of immediate mass deportations is a fantasy.

I don't see any good reason why the law needs changing.

I get the sense that some in here are drawn to the idea of mob rule.

And what do you think would happen to the British Nationals in foreign jails if we deported the foreign nationals in our jails, even if you suppose the countries in question accept them back? Do you suppose the country in question would keep the UK nationals but accept their own citizens back, to free up the UK system, but increase their own prison population? What do you do with people with dual nationality?

Do a swap! Boot out the 10k foreign nationals and bring back the approx 1k Brits in foreign jails. You'd think it'd be common sense to free up 9k places this way rather than release violent criminals wouldn't you.

Common sense from a UK perspective, perhaps - and the opposite for any country who would be receiving more than they would be sending back.

And how long do you imagine this swap would take, given that we are rapidly running out of prison space? Given separate negotiations with each country, legal challenges, appeals etc?
And of course assuming each country involved simply agrees to take back their national in the first place.

And if we run out of prison space, and start using emergency measures such as police cells, which I think is what would happen, where do we put people who might otherwise be placed there?

The £4.2m comes from local authorities' housing budgets, and is a drop in thr ocean compared to the billions needed to rebuild and expand our prison infrastructure.

Regrettably, the Tories really fucked this up between 2010 - 2024, and now we're paying the price.

Well of course it's a drop in the ocean but perhaps a snap shot of how millions are being wasted.

If the council linked can afford to pay 4.5million of public money on sites like this then maybe other councils are blowing money on crap things too. The government should perhaps cut budgets and the collective savings may help wirh the current crisis?

'And of course assuming each country involved simply agrees to take back their national in the first place'

Oh that's where negotiations come in. Clearly it isn't an immediate fix but it should be a long term plan to kick out the 10k foreign nationals, instead of the lame 'they can't do anything because other countries won't like it' excuses we keep hearing.

Not to mob rule, but the will of the people. IE democracy.