To almost feel a shred of sympathy for Tommy Robinson

Looks like that person watched the actual video and made their own comments. Why should they not be allowed to comment just because some other people earlier downplayed the situation?

It's about context. Context is everything.

I think you're romanticising him a bit. No one thinks he's a mythical creature. He's just a common or garden racist anti semite who has gained a following amongst the bin slingers and other racist anti semites. Amongst his lies there may on occasion be a truth. But even a stopped clock...

TR is not antisemitic. He has warned at length about the dangers of radical Islam to western society and values. I’m no particular fan but it’s important to be accurate. For antisemitism look elsewhere.

So your context is 'everything the BBC produces is fact and other people stating the same fact is wrong because they are 'wrong' people?

So the opposite of being fascinated by people's hatred of someone who they don't know is now 'romanticising' them?

Even if in this instance he seems to be 'right' because his 'facts' were backed up by the BBC?

I take my guidance on that from the people most entitled to judge. The Board of Deputies and The Zionist Federation. You don't get to ignore their voices just because SYL's anti semiticism has temporarily been overlaid by his Islamophobia.

The UK census you quote is dated 2021. We won’t have another one until 2031, but I very much doubt the 6% figure you quote is anywhere near still accurate.

You romanticise him by describing the perfectly ordinary disgust for him in the mainstream as viewing him as a bogie man.

That’s Robbie Burns, I think you’ll find.

He was clearly coked up, and he pursues this narrative because it’s in his financial interest.

Zero sympathy from me.

No

Why is he the boogie man when he says the same things that the BBC said?

If the same things said of him were said of someone on the left, people would be calling the cops for a hate speech violation.

I find it fascinating how these boogie man and women seem to infect anyone who even speaks to them, instead of thinking 'hang on, what are the actual points being made', people just bang on and on and on about how hateful the person is.

I don't tend to call anyone names, I try and go with their arguments and ask questions about them. It used to be that people could interrogate things without screaming 'hateful racist blah blah blah' into people's faces.

You will notice that i have not said anything about individual people on here, yet I get called names and accused of all sorts but if that's all people have, then nothing is going to change that. C'est dommage.

Hateful people say hateful things, I find. By the way, we say bogie man in this country.

It's complicated because he was invited to Israel by the Jewish Diaspora minister. Which sparked complaints from British Jewish groups who do see him as anti-Semitic or divisive. But then it's easy for other people to ask why would an anti-Semitic person support.and visit Israel and be supported by the Israeli government ... That's a whole other can of worms people can argue about I guess. But I can see the claims of him being anti-Semitic are easier to disagree with than the anti Muslim stance.

Why are you asking me why he's the bogie man, when the whole point of my post was to tell you people don't think he is?
I don't suppose anyone would have a problem with him if he only said what the BBC said. However, he says a lot more than that, doesn't he? And its often lies. This is what people have a problem with.
I've listened extensively to what he has to say. I've fact checked and I've researched what other experts have to say and my conclusion is he's a racist anti semite who lies.

The poll’s results are fascinating

I never vote in the polls, what is it saying?

On this topic in this debate, was he lying?

Was he gurning in this one?

The last interview he did he was off his face on drugs ( all bought and paid for by his loyal followers no doubt) and claimed it was hayfever 😂😂

No it doesn’t. We don’t say boogie man here. It’s a factual statement. Boogie man is the American version.

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It's not about original texts but about the actions of the followers, and if they use their texts as guidelines for their dastardly deeds. In today's world Islam is unique in that aspect.

I found the opposing side in the Oxford debate very poor. Their main argument was 'no true Scotsman', ie ISIS, Hamas and and other terrorists aren't 'real Muslims'. The only real Muslims apparently are those who handed out food parcels during Covid.

The point was made by side proposition, that it's not merely there are bad Muslim actors, but that they are motivated by their religion. People like Epstein eg, were just bad people. He never used his religion to justify his evil acts, nor was his religion what motivated him in the first place.

Some of side proposition thought they had major gotchas when they asked 'show me which verse in the Koran justifies etc.' But that's bull, as there's obviously enough evil in their texts that a non-insignificant minority of Muslims think it's Allah's will to kill infidels.