AIBU to think public racist / anti immigrant / anti trans posts can justify dismissal?

Maybe you need to tell these guys, who record foiled plots against Jewish people and sites, plenty of right wing examples there. Anti-Semitism, like all racism, doesn’t belong to left or right, it’s everywhere.

https://cst.org.uk/research/terrorism-hate-crime-databases/uk-foiled-terror-plots

I am autistic and ADHD yes. I think you can claim you are informed on a topic that you are informed on. Of course you can. Just because you are informed doesnt mean you are right - people can be well educated and have lived experience but still people will disagree with them. Your opinion on autism given you are an autistic woman makes you informed. Your opinion on muslim women given you work with them makes you informed.

Anyway I disagree with your description of me and I haven't attacked you or your work as you have mine. I havent made unevidenced claims. Its wideley evidenced that muslim women and girls are more likely to experience oppression and abuse. But I dont see why anyone would need evidence of that anyway. Its blindingly obvious. Just as it would be if you were talking about women and girls in the LDS in the states.

Well I will presume you have a thick skin too then and I will now be rude and not sugar coat it. I am concerned that you work with highly vulnerable muslim women and girls - abuse victims you have said - and you arent accepting that they will be experiencing an extremely high level of coercion. You are assuming that they do have agency and you arent recognising the influence their culture will be having on them. I think that is extremely dangerous considering you are in a position where you can offer real life-changing support to them that can turn their lives around. I do not want to undervalue what you do, as you did to me, it is a tough job as I said, and I have respect for that - but I do worry that considering your attitude, that maybe you arent the right kind of person to go in there and really understand what they are dealing with. To totally deny their religious oppression is to do them a disservice.

It eminates (predominantly) from the left. So I see your original position on occupying state roles wasn't really neutral, after all.

Anti-Semitism does not originate with the left either, but if you have some basis for the claim I’m interested in hearing it.

Let me say again for the hard of reading: NOBODY should bring their prejudices to work in a state sponsored role. The fact that you’ve chosen to see that as applying only to views you see as right wing is a you problem.

I haven’t attacked your work - I don’t know it, how could I? I have strongly disagreed with your expressed opinion that all women from a specified background are coerced. I’ll be sure to tell Shabana Mahmood, when we next meet, that she doesn’t know her own mind.

The reality is that you don’t know anything about what others here do or don’t know. You chose to give more credence to my opinion (without agreeing with it, which is entirely normal) when you couldn’t dismiss me as ‘working in a butcher’s’. And that tells me you don’t approach things with an open mind. Minoritised men, women and children would struggle to trust someone in your position anyway, and your stated opinions here mean that mistrust is justified. You’ve taken my disagreement with your own words so personally that you’re trying to insult me. It’s a little unhinged honestly.

Of course there are Muslim women and girls - and boys - living in domestic abuse situations. And in your line of work that’s the people you are bound to meet. But you’ve extrapolated and decided everyone is the same. The pure arrogance of telling someone that not only do you think Muslim women are empty vessels, but that they should also think the same is… well, it’s something.

It eminates (predominantly) from the left. So I see your original position on occupying state roles wasn't really neutral, after all.

Anti-Semitism does not originate with the left either, but if you have some basis for the claim I’m interested in hearing it.

Let me say again for the hard of reading: NOBODY should bring their prejudices to work in a state sponsored role. The fact that you’ve chosen to see that as applying only to views you see as right wing is a you problem.

I think it's more likely that a member of Reform would be disciplined than a member of the Socialist Workers Party, if they both worked in the public sector.

I think both should be able to carry on with their political activities while maintaining their jobs. In fact when I worked in the public sector, a few colleagues who were also Union reps, were members of the SWP.

A Reform supporter would be ostracised in the public sector. This is exactly why I and other posters have turned the idea of fascism back round on those who use it - liberally.

No, the OP lent itself to applying specifically to the right wing. Labour had a major problem with anti-semitism, as you well know. There are far right professionals working in left leaning institutions though.

I think it's more likely that a member of Reform would be disciplined than a member of the Socialist Workers Party, if they both worked in the public sector.

I think both should be able to carry on with their political activities while maintaining their jobs. In fact when I worked in the public sector, a few colleagues who were also Union reps, were members of the SWP.

No, the OP lent itself to applying specifically to the right wing. Labour had a major problem with anti-semitism, as you well know. There are far right professionals working in left leaning institutions though.

YANBU. I witnessed and called out racist behaviour by my GP's receptionist , she was patient and nice as pie with me when I booked in, and with a very elderly confused (white) patient, but unhelpful and dismissive with an elderly black patient with poor English. He was trying to explain that he needed to make an appointment for his wife when his daughter was available to come with her to translate, she kept interrupting him and wilfully misunderstanding him/being obstructive. I finally stepped in and made her understand, she was very sulky and huffy about it. This practice is in a majority immigrant area. I sent a written complaint to the practice manager. I don't know the outcome, but she certainly deserved a reprimand at the very least.

I’m responding to you unemotionally, and I’ve found some of the things you’ve said deeply problematic so have no desire to sugar coat it for you. If you find that rude that feels like something you should work on, rather than project your emotions onto me.

I would never claim my opinion is ‘more informed than most’ on any topic because I simply don’t know what knowledge or experience others in this anonymous forum have. I am autistic, so perhaps I know a tiny bit more than you, but who knows, you might be too.

I will robustly challenge anything I believe to be false, here and in real life. You have made sweeping and unevidenced claims about the likelihood of domestic abuse in Muslim and GRT households, and that Muslim women are unable to make their own choices. You don’t know which women on the thread are Muslim. And yet, you have the audacity to describe someone else as obnoxious and rude. So forgive me for thinking that you’ve probably got quite a thick skin and don’t need me to soft soap you.

I didn't refer to specifically ANY political party. Extreme right wing, e.g. neo fascism is known for racial hatred.

And do you really thing neo fascists are supportive of Jews? Given their links to the holocaust? So assuming any far right party is not anti semitic is ludicrous.

This is a meaningless question without any context. Who gets to decide what is racist or anti trans or whatever? Because I have seen people label others as racist on here when it wasn’t merited. Ditto with ‘transphobe’

There is a world of difference between saying, for example “death to all <insert minority>” and expressing concern for unchecked immigration.

And what about other groups? What about people who express ageism? Or ableism? Or misogyny? Or are the old, disabled or female fair game? Should we only ban people who say bad things about ‘trendy’ disadvantaged people?

I do work in the public sector and have on and off for many years. There’s definitely a left leaning segment in some areas, but by no means all, and the majority of people doing day to day work - police, prisons, JCP, EA are apolitical in my experience. As in, they’re not strongly aligned to any party. Senior public servants and especially civil servants often come from a wealthier background and are more centre right from what I’ve seen.

I think someone who was a Reform Councillor would face more scrutiny from their employers than someone who was a Councillor for a far left group, especially if they were a social worker, teacher, health care professional etc.

People should be able to join and campaign for lawful parties without their employers having anything to do with it. Otherwise we don't have a democracy.

I'm a member of the Free Speech Union and their lawyers are fighting multiple cases of people having been sacked for their political views.

I think someone who was a Reform Councillor would face more scrutiny from their employers than someone who was a Councillor for a far left group, especially if they were a social worker, teacher, health care professional etc.

People should be able to join and campaign for lawful parties without their employers having anything to do with it. Otherwise we don't have a democracy.

I'm a member of the Free Speech Union and their lawyers are fighting multiple cases of people having been sacked for their political views.

I didn't refer to specifically ANY political party. Extreme right wing, e.g. neo fascism is known for racial hatred.

And do you really thing neo fascists are supportive of Jews? Given their links to the holocaust? So assuming any far right party is not anti semitic is ludicrous.