AIBU to think public racist / anti immigrant / anti trans posts can justify dismissal?

Theres no left or right anymore is there. Im ancient (52) and always been incredibly left wing. In the past ten years for the first time in my life I seem to be aligning with what are considered right wing views by some. But are they? Who knows. Ive given up caring. Im hugely GC, Im massively concerned about trans ideology, the influence of Islam, Im worried about grooming gangs, etc. I feel politically homeless now but I feel the left don't give a shiny shite about women and girls anymore so they lost me. I know im not alone in this.

I'm not going to argue with you about what goes on in the minds of other women.
All I can offer as a non Muslim woman with close friends, extended family, colleagues and service users I've worked with for 30 years who are Muslim women; is my experience from daily close contact and strong and frank relationships.
Obviously I don't know what other women are thinking or saying when I'm not there, but neither do you.

I know what their religious and cultural beliefs are. And so do you.

But you replied to me, not the OP, and provided no example so how can I respond?

I was responding to what you said here:

NOBODY should be bringing their prejudices to work if they are in a state sponsored role with power over people. They should work on facts, and evidence and if they are unable to do that, they should stand aside. Clearly this is a hard ask, and current conditions mean unsuitable people remain in post and are overworked and under supervised/supported. But surely you want open minds in the profession, not Lisa Arthurworreys and not self declared Islamophobes?

Lisa Arthurworrey wasn’t concerned about being seen as racist, she was herself a black woman who acknowledged that her own preconceptions about the race of the family had contributed to her assessment. However a much larger issue in that case was the lack of supervision by her seniors and a failure in their case to read and understand the medical reports provided.

Her failure was to rely on her own ideas about the family’s culture, rather than retain an open mind. People unable to keep an open mind should not be in any role that requires them to assess and protect children or vulnerable adults. It’s difficult, we all bring our preconceptions, and there is a lack of both quantity and quality in the sector for all sorts of reasons. But we should aim higher.

How does your post respond to that? NOBODY very clearly means NOBODY, doesn’t it?

Which is why I said shame anti-semitic doctors and teachers, who have exhibited their hate, didn't get the memo.

I find it a bit creepy that you’re thanking people when they do a job you think is worthy of them having an opinion.

But a bit part of why the third sector is needed is that women and children don’t trust state agents like social workers. And statements like ‘Muslim women aren’t choosing anything for themselves’ are a huge part of why. So, on the plus side I suppose I should be grateful that you’re keeping my organisation in work.

As it happens we see and hear from more Sikh women than Muslim, and there’s national evidence that ‘honour’ ideas are more common among Sikh communities, but I’ve never heard anyone espouse the same prejudice. Lots of Islamophobia though. I put that down to the fact that more Muslims in the UK have backgrounds from poorer countries and are less likely to be in well thought of jobs. A bit like how you think butchers’ opinions are irrelevant.

And again, feel free to provide an example of an anti-Semitic doctor or teacher who was not disciplined.

Why do they necessarily have to have been disciplined? I thought you said nobody was above such scrutiny.

There has to be certainty that it is indeed hate and not difference of opinion. I am a woman. I am pro women's rights. Some people might say this makes me anti- trans- I think not.

Gosh you really don't like social workers do you. That case is widely known to have been a multi-agency failure. Medics included. She went to the hospital multiple times and things were missed or explained away as other things other than abuse.

Anyway, we arent going to agree. I agree we should aim higher and keep an open mind but what that looks like to me in practice is clearly very different to you.

The thread is about people losing their jobs because of the views isn’t it? So presumably what you’re objecting to is right wing views being disciplined and anti-Semitic ones not? I’m not sure that anti-Semitism isn’t right wing but anyway.

Some of them are lovely. Some are dangerous.

Yes, of course it was a multi-agency failure, they almost always are. I was responding to your incorrect claim that LA said she was afraid of being called racist.

I’m never going to agree with someone who thinks it’s ok to assume Muslim (or any other) women don’t know their own mind. You say you care about women but you deny some women any agency at all.

God you really are rude aren't you. I never said a butchers opinion was irrelevant or unworthy. I said as you work in the field your opinion held more weight as its more informed. Turns out I still don't agree with you though but that doesnt mean it isnt uninformed - we have just come to a different conclusion. Currently most of my work is working with autistic women and girls, and Im a court expert witness in such cases. My opinion therefore is more informed than most on this subject. As yours is on working with DV victims and those suffering honour abuse. Its not creepy to honour what you do. Its hard but important work.

No matter how obnoxious and rude you are, and disrespectful of social workers (who you clearly loathe - wheres the open mind and lack of prejudice now?) I still acknowledge that.

Anti-semitism firmly belongs in the left wing corner.

Maybe you need to tell these guys, who record foiled plots against Jewish people and sites, plenty of right wing examples there. Anti-Semitism, like all racism, doesn’t belong to left or right, it’s everywhere.

https://cst.org.uk/research/terrorism-hate-crime-databases/uk-foiled-terror-plots

I don't agree. I'm never going to support a position that overlooks women and girls who are living under genuine coercion or oppression because we're too concerned about appearing culturally sensitive.
The whole point is that coercion reduces or removes agency. A woman who fears violence, ostracism, forced marriage, or other serious consequences for refusing isn't exercising free choice in the ordinary sense. Recognising that isn't denying her humanity—it's recognising the reality of coercive control.
Its vitally important not to ignore those who desperately need support to break free simply because acknowledging their situation is uncomfortable.

And you assume all Muslim women are coerced, as per your previous post.

The rest feels like you wrote it with AI.

It would worry me if people lost their jobs because of their political views, eg if a teacher or a social worker lost their job because they were a member of Reform or if they were a Reform councillor. That would be very anti democratic.

Trouble is when a wish to have a managed migration policy is seen as far right / racist / fascist this is what it can lead to.

I’m responding to you unemotionally, and I’ve found some of the things you’ve said deeply problematic so have no desire to sugar coat it for you. If you find that rude that feels like something you should work on, rather than project your emotions onto me.

I would never claim my opinion is ‘more informed than most’ on any topic because I simply don’t know what knowledge or experience others in this anonymous forum have. I am autistic, so perhaps I know a tiny bit more than you, but who knows, you might be too.

I will robustly challenge anything I believe to be false, here and in real life. You have made sweeping and unevidenced claims about the likelihood of domestic abuse in Muslim and GRT households, and that Muslim women are unable to make their own choices. You don’t know which women on the thread are Muslim. And yet, you have the audacity to describe someone else as obnoxious and rude. So forgive me for thinking that you’ve probably got quite a thick skin and don’t need me to soft soap you.

I do believe muslim women and girls are living under coercion yes. I think that with all extreme religions that are oppressive to women (LDS). To different degrees of course, but ultimately yes.

Not sure how to take the AI thing - never been told that before. Should I be flattered or offended? lol.

Yes, I do. And I think there's a great deal of misunderstanding, assumptions and fear mongering from people who don't. You are judging based on the most extreme beliefs and practices and making an assumption that all Muslims live and believe in accordance with that. In truth the Muslim population is comprised of individuals who accept and apply the teachings of Islam in varying ways. Just as is the case with Christians, who aren't all running round quoting St Paul and insisting women submit to their husbands.

I am autistic and ADHD yes. I think you can claim you are informed on a topic that you are informed on. Of course you can. Just because you are informed doesnt mean you are right - people can be well educated and have lived experience but still people will disagree with them. Your opinion on autism given you are an autistic woman makes you informed. Your opinion on muslim women given you work with them makes you informed.

Anyway I disagree with your description of me and I haven't attacked you or your work as you have mine. I havent made unevidenced claims. Its wideley evidenced that muslim women and girls are more likely to experience oppression and abuse. But I dont see why anyone would need evidence of that anyway. Its blindingly obvious. Just as it would be if you were talking about women and girls in the LDS in the states.

Well I will presume you have a thick skin too then and I will now be rude and not sugar coat it. I am concerned that you work with highly vulnerable muslim women and girls - abuse victims you have said - and you arent accepting that they will be experiencing an extremely high level of coercion. You are assuming that they do have agency and you arent recognising the influence their culture will be having on them. I think that is extremely dangerous considering you are in a position where you can offer real life-changing support to them that can turn their lives around. I do not want to undervalue what you do, as you did to me, it is a tough job as I said, and I have respect for that - but I do worry that considering your attitude, that maybe you arent the right kind of person to go in there and really understand what they are dealing with. To totally deny their religious oppression is to do them a disservice.