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If someone identifies as an amputee they are given psychological help

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gardenbird48 Thu 25-Jun-20 10:52:20

and steered away from modifying their body. They are not immediately affirmed, applauded by their friends and sent for surgery. BDD is the same.
I am really struggling with the difference between this and gender dysphoria, can anyone, esp with a psychiatry background explain please?

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JellySlice Thu 25-Jun-20 12:32:05

If someone identifies as obese they are given psychological help and steered away from modifying their body. They are not immediately affirmed, applauded by their friends and sent for surgery. Anorexia is the same.
I am really struggling with the difference between this and gender dysphoria, can anyone, esp with a psychiatry background explain please?

SapphosRock Thu 25-Jun-20 21:53:21

Homosexuality used to be classed as a mental illness.

If giving in to the 'mental disorder' brings happiness and contentment to a high number of people then it makes sense that it would be re-classified to be a condition rather than a mental disorder.

Gay people who are able to live their lives 'out' as gay and have relationships are ultimately happier than those who suppress it.

Studies have shown that people who have transitioned are happier than those who haven't:

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321258

There are no studies to show that people who identify are amputees are happier after amputating their limbs. I presume if enough people did amputate their limbs and reported increased happiness and contentment afterwards then it would be re-classified too.

midgebabe Thu 25-Jun-20 22:00:18

I think anyone should be able to live their life and express themselves as they see fit without fear or discrimination

When it comes to needing surgical modification to achieve that, then it becomes something more akin to the OP post than to homosexuality,,,where they didn't want to change anything about themselves,

And no matter how you express yourself, until we have rid the world of sexism ( discrim8nation and harm based on sex, not gender) then we need to separate gender and sex as concerns and ensure that sex separation is provided where appropriate , and we may also need gender separation as well

BlueBooby Thu 25-Jun-20 22:04:22

No idea op. I'm a BDD sufferer. No idea at all why it is treated differently if it's focused on your privates. Makes no sense whatsoever.

BlueBooby Thu 25-Jun-20 22:05:55

The comparison to being gay seems pretty offensive to me. Being gay doesn't involve any form of medical treatment.

Dhalmeup Thu 25-Jun-20 22:07:57

If someone identifies as obese they are given psychological help and steered away from modifying their body. They are not immediately affirmed, applauded by their friends and sent for surgery. Anorexia is the same.
I am really struggling with the difference between this and gender dysphoria, can anyone, esp with a psychiatry background explain please?

@JellySlice how silly.

If someone only ‘identifies’ as being obese when in fact they are a normal or under weight are they put on weight loss drugs, offered weight loss surgery, told to diet?

Heygirlheyboy Thu 25-Jun-20 22:08:11

And being gay is not a mental condition hmm

JellySlice Thu 25-Jun-20 22:08:45

Gay people require nothing but tolerance from other people in order to live their lives as gay people.

Gender dysphoric people require others to collude in their 'condition' in order to live their lives as the opposite gender.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz Thu 25-Jun-20 22:09:28

To add to midgets post ... anyone who insists on dismantling safeguards for women and girls to fully validate their needs needs to have a good hard look in the mirror. As far as I'm aware gay people have not asked this. So comparisons to homosexuality are offensive and not relevant.

And co

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz Thu 25-Jun-20 22:09:44

X post grin

Dhalmeup Thu 25-Jun-20 22:09:59

Sexual preference is not akin with a dysphoria, the comparisons to being gay are offensive.

JellySlice Thu 25-Jun-20 22:10:48

Tolerance is not the best word. Acceptance is a better word.

But for gender dysphoric people acceptance of their beliefs means collusion with them.

JellySlice Thu 25-Jun-20 22:13:37

@Dhalmeup I think you've misunderstood my post.

Jessbow Thu 25-Jun-20 22:39:47

I think your comparisom with an amputee is really quite odd, offensive almost.

you dont ''identify' as an amputee, you either are, or you arent.

What the parrallel with gender dysphoria I have no idea!

midgebabe Thu 25-Jun-20 22:41:11

Jess there are people who think that a limb has been amputated and will for example use a wheelchair because of their "missing" leg. Strange but true

SapphosRock Thu 25-Jun-20 22:43:02

The comparison to being gay seems pretty offensive to me.

Are you gay @BlueBooby ? I am and don't find it offensive.

BlueBooby Thu 25-Jun-20 22:45:18

Nope but I can still use my brain.

midgebabe Thu 25-Jun-20 22:47:30

The implication saphos is that there is something wrong with gay people , in the same what that some transpeople think there is something wrong with them that needs fixing , whereas we would say there is nothing wrong on being gay

midgebabe Thu 25-Jun-20 22:48:02

A royal we of course!

SapphosRock Thu 25-Jun-20 22:48:51

Gender dysphoric people require others to collude in their 'condition' in order to live their lives as the opposite gender.

Many vicars were incensed they were supposed to 'collude' with gay people and conduct same sex marriages. Hence why gay couples still cannot marry in most churches.

So there are certainly parallels between being gay and being trans.

midgebabe Thu 25-Jun-20 22:51:48

Any parallel breaks down c9mpletely when you recall that gay people just wanted to be themselves and trans people want to change themselves

BlueBooby Thu 25-Jun-20 23:15:26

*Many vicars were incensed they were supposed to 'collude' with gay people and conduct same sex marriages. Hence why gay couples still cannot marry in most churches."

So the vicars in most churches aren't actually forced to collude with anything they don't believe in.

SomeDyke Thu 25-Jun-20 23:29:47

The comparison with being gay and gay marriage is totally false. A married gay couple aren't trying to claim they are identical to a straight married couple (or another gay couple for that matter), because the same versus the opposite sex nature of their relationship is being acknowledged. Else a lot of gay couples would be confused as to why after many years of enthusiastic coupling, their wife still isn't pregnant.

People are free to believe that a gay marriage isn't a proper marriage according to their beliefs or religion, just as many people believe a second marriage after divorce isn't valid, or a purely civil marriage without a religious element, or whatever else. This plurality of belief is acknowledged, and fine, as long as you treat all married couples equally when booking a double room at your hotel.

The agreed on facts here are the sex of the participants, what is variable is what people believe is the social or religious meaning of that relationship.

Gay people didn't argue that gay marriage should be allowed because one of the would-be couple believed they were actually another sex. And if you don't believe gay marriage is ethical, fine, you're not being forced to give up that belief and enter into one yourself. Most gay people can cope with others having different beliefs, as long as they treat people decently.

Whereas.........(the rest is left as an exercise for the reader).

NotBadConsidering Thu 25-Jun-20 23:31:36

Oh look, it’s Sapphos with more disingenuous posts.

However, the authors also note some limitations to their study. These include a high dropout rate (from a total of 610 people who underwent the surgery, only 156 were included in the study) and the fact that the data were collected from a single center

People who were mostly happy continued in the study and reported they were happy. What a shock 🙄. Where are the other 454 people Sapphos?

And they were all male-to-female. Where are the females having mastectomies? Where’s the evidence that children are happier? There isn’t any. In fact, the evidence shows that adults who were on puberty blockers are more likely to have been hospitalised for a suicide attempt.

I honestly don’t understand how someone who posts here and advises us all they are a lesbian is happy that lesbian teenagers are being medicalised for the rest of their lives with hormones and surgery.

Why are you defending gay conversion therapy Sapphos? Is it this thread your contrary-for-the-day choice?

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