If someone identifies as an amputee they are given psychological help

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and steered away from modifying their body. They are not immediately affirmed, applauded by their friends and sent for surgery. BDD is the same.
I am really struggling with the difference between this and gender dysphoria, can anyone, esp with a psychiatry background explain please?

Strange isn't it? Much like how a large proportion of humans have an imaginary friend who lives in the sky who has strict instructions about what humans can and cannot do. And how some people are so scared of this imaginary friend they will sacrifice a lifetime of happiness in order not to upset Him.

You are sceptical of faith and of the imposition of faith upon people's lives, yet you cannot see that the trans ideology position is entirely faith-based and depends upon the imposition of that faith on everyone else?

You may not see it, but we see you.

I think trans is more like religion. A strong belief in something that can't be proven.

Lots of people want a place to talk to their imaginary friend who they think controls us all. We don't section these people, we build churches for them and employ vicars to be the imaginary friend's spokesperson.

We let this imaginary friend dictate to us who we can and cannot marry and what time we can go shopping on Sundays. Bonkers when you think about it.

And we also don't allow them to impose their views on us.

People of faith have complete freedom to practice their faith as long as it has no negative effects upon society.

JellySlice cross post but yes that's exactly what I am saying. Society is expected to go along with some ridiculous belief systems but not others.

What is 'we see you' supposed to mean?

JellySlice I take it you're not a lesbian because religion has a very negative impact on gay equality and acceptance.

@Jessbow there are genuinely people who have all their limbs but believe they shouldn’t have one and want a perfectly healthy limb removed, they do identify as amputees despite not being ones. Some successfully convince doctors to remove their healthy limbs. This isn’t hypothetical. So it’s exactly like gender dysphoria - the person believes something is wrong with their body and seeks surgical change despite no medical issue

I think trans is more like religion. A strong belief in something that can't be proven.

I agree with this. But the difference is that nobody is forced to become a believer in a religion. The trans religion is being imposed on everyone and we are all told that we have to comply with its language and belief system.

It is proper amusing to me that @SapphosRock completely ignores anyone with actual valid comparisons.

Their symptoms and behaviour are the same as mine. The ONLY difference is one of their personalities does not match the gender they were born as. Mine do.

So. I propose you all have to pander and encourage and make a relationship with my alter. My alter has the mentality of a teenager, so obviously if I commit a crime, say I have a tantrum and batter you, I should be tried as a child.

Sound. Working out great for me this. Fuck personal responsibility.

It is proper amusing to me that SapphosRock completely ignores anyone with actual valid comparisons

It’s very telling.

It’s also very telling that Sapphos is now telling us that they think “trans is more like a religion” and that the idea of imposing ideas on the rest of us is bonkers.

Very enlightening thread overall.

People of faith have complete freedom to practice their faith as long as it has no negative effects upon society.

Yep us homosexuals only have the threat of eternal damnation hanging over us. But granted we are luckier in the UK than the rest of the world. I'm sure NotBadConsidering will be happy to share some horrific stories about gay men being thrown off buildings in other parts of the world.

@Milotic I really think the only people qualified to talk about gender dysphoria are trans people themselves. I shared a video of trans people discussing surgery and dysphoria earlier in the thread. I think it's very telling that everybody on the thread has chosen to completely ignore it.

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OldCrone there is obviously a perceived benefit for people who want to change gender which I can understand more than the perceived benefit of removing ones limbs.

In the video I shared earlier the trans woman described being trans like being born right handed but being forced to use your left hand. Unnatural. Could you empathise with that? I could.

I find it a lot harder to empathise with someone wanting to remove a healthy limb.

Isnt that disablist?

So it's ok for an Orchidectomy, but chop off your leg above the knee to feel better, oh nos we could never alter a healthy body?

I mean I'm against both, I think both need serious mental health intervention. But you think one is ok the other terrible because numbers?

[quote SapphosRock]@Milotic I really think the only people qualified to talk about gender dysphoria are trans people themselves. I shared a video of trans people discussing surgery and dysphoria earlier in the thread. I think it's very telling that everybody on the thread has chosen to completely ignore it.
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So as I'm not faintly religious I cant talk about it?
Does this work for everything?

I shared a video of trans people discussing surgery and dysphoria earlier in the thread. I think it's very telling that everybody on the thread has chosen to completely ignore it.

No you didn’t. You shared a video that was a 5 min Q and A. There is one person talking about dysphoria being like “the wrong hand” and the only thing mentioned about surgery is the trans people saying saying people shouldn’t ask personal questions. I told you I watched it. I don’t think you have. It doesn’t explain how surgery is the answer to anyone’s problems at all.

So you either didn’t watch it, or you posted it thinking no one would watch it to point out you misleading people.

Kind of like your link to an Iranian Journal article about gay conversion therapy.

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@SapphosRock

OldCrone there is obviously a perceived benefit for people who want to change gender which I can understand more than the perceived benefit of removing ones limbs.

In the video I shared earlier the trans woman described being trans like being born right handed but being forced to use your left hand. Unnatural. Could you empathise with that? I could.

I find it a lot harder to empathise with someone wanting to remove a healthy limb.

So are you saying that you can empathise with a woman who wants her healthy breasts removed or a man who wants his healthy penis removed, but you can't empathise with someone who wants to remove a healthy limb? I'm struggling to understand why you make this distinction.

I really think the only people qualified to talk about gender dysphoria are trans people themselves.

What definition of 'trans people' are you using here?

OldCrone people who have gender dysphoria. The transgender people in the video I shared discussed how it feels to have gender dysphoria.

Yep us homosexuals only have the threat of eternal damnation hanging over us.

How very Christiano-centric of you.

And how exclusionary you are, not only of other religions, but of the plurality of Christian faiths.

I really think the only people qualified to talk about gender dysphoria are trans people themselves.

Not all trans people experience gender dysphoria. Not all people with body OR gender dysphoria ae trans. We are CONSTANTLY told this by trans people themselves. So how are they more qualified than me, someone diagnosed with body dysmorphia. Someone who's experienced gender dysphoria. Why does the fact I choose to treat mine instead of exacerbating it make me less qualified?

If you've got a schizophrenic person who's stable and on a perfect meds routine so not experiencing the symptoms right now would you say they're not longer qualified to talk about being schizophrenic?

Not to mention the fact I've actually lived with it. I've lived with trans people my friends are trans my kids have an "auntie boyname" and their favourite friend of mine is a cross dresser.

I literally have no idea why a WOMAN would be on a FEMINIST board trying to shut up other women with "only the men should be allowed to talk about this you poxy women couldnt possibly understand" FOR FUCK SAKE.

@Milotic if there was a 'cure' for being gender dysphoric don't you think transgender people would be all over it?

I am sure if there was a pill that would take it all away then a lot of people would take it.

From what I understand (please correct me if I'm wrong) body dysmorphia can be helped by counselling and anti depressants. There is no evidence that these things help with body dysphoria.

The transgender people in the video I shared discussed how it feels to have gender dysphoria.

There are three people in Sapphos’s video. One of them answers the question “how do you know if you’re trans?” with the handedness metaphor.

That’s it. There is no discussion about gender dysphoria.

It’s quite pathetic really.

And by pathetic, I mean Sapphos’s attempts to think we can’t see through them, not the people in the video. They’re just another pawn in Sapphos’s Game of No Evidence.

Actually Milotic in that video I shared there was 1 MTF trans woman, 1 FTM trans man and 'Ryan' who looked suspiciously like they were born female. So 2 out of the three were born female.