Tell me about LGBT Youth Scotland

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What is this organisation and why would a children's charity want to "achieve a charter mark" from them?

I found a costs page on their website, what are they charging this money for exactly? It seems like a lot.

www.lgbtyouth.org.uk/lgbt-charter/lgbt-charter/lgbt-charter-pricing/

Well they used to be led by a paedophile
www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/scottish-paedophile-ring-guilty-child-abuse

I wish i hadn't read that article.

They still run that 'helpline'. fuck only knows who has governance of it.

But here is some of their work, written by their Influencing Manager, Cara Spence.

www.parliament.scot/S5_Equal_Opps/SUBMISSION_FROM_LGBT_Youth_Scotland.pdf

I went to their training.
It was awkward for the trainer because I'm a lesbian.
But she recovered, bless her.

She said lesbians oppress bisexuals.
That was a bit much tbh.

Also viking sheild maidens were actually men.

And Trans people are treated really well in India.
My Indian colleague took over the 'making aghast faces' at that point.

Also women aren't ever penalized or harassed for being gender nonconforming.

Money well spent.

It's a racket basically.
Local councils want you to have the charter mark if you do work for them and support lesbians or gay men.

There's good Twitter thread about them here:
twitter.com/CroneInAMillion/status/1043256877323350016

Is this a new thing then this very vague award for what exactly?

They have converted about 20 schools to their 'Charter' with approx 60 in the funnel. They actually charge for this shit, despite receiving in excess of 1M in annual funding (see Companies House). Not just schools, orgs too and have been recently recruiting heavily for project staff and also staff to man (no pun) said helplines.

I really want to know who governs the 'chat' on these chatlines, given they are providing advice to children. Their documentation is supportive of blockers, binders and blind acceptance that a child who is gender questioning is, in fact, a 'trans' child, whatever the fuck that is.

They will be sued up the arse in years to come, no doubt, but not before the 'influencers' have fucked off to pastures new.

Best way to find out is to ring them

Many LOLs. And ask what Super?

Are you dastardly people who are seeking to corrupt children? Because I doubt they think that. I'm sure that they think they are doing good work. Tha's the problem with the trans agenda, most people think it's being kind, but ruiing young people's healthy young bodies is not kind.

Their LGB stuff is great of course. That's part of the problem. The teachers just thing the T part is an extension of that and go along with it.

lesbians oppress bisexuals
viking sheild maidens were actually men
Trans people are treated really well in India
women aren't ever penalized or harassed for being gender nonconforming

So it is the racket it looks and a cash strapped charity are going to pay them so they can get a receipt star and they need to have that to continue as a recipient of government funding - is that the gist?

So wrong on so many levels.

Reading through their stuff they keep referring to 'research', I presume this is the 2017 research carried out with 684 young people aged 13-25 from across Scotland. This is the largest research of its kind in Scotland and if so that isn't really a big study is it? It doesn't say anywhere how many of those are L or G or B or T or record sex just what people identify as. So 50% trans statistic could be 1 person. Then all the way through the stats state percentage for LGBT then pick out stat percentage for trans but not any other letter. Maybe I am reading it wrong, it's late and I am tired, this doesn't look like unbiased data gathering to me.

The questions in the school pack are really skewed eg are you LGBT? Have you ever been bullied?

I don't know anyone who hasn't been bullied at some point, especially in school. Not saying that should be the case but being bullied is not exclusive to LGBT, in fact I am willing to bet it is pretty low on the list after disablism, classism and racism.

Also am a bit shocked how many days there are to hang a LGBT hook on throughout the year.

I don't see anything telling me where they get their qualifications from or what they are. Are they staffed by child psychologists?

The UK's LGBT industry earns at least £16m a year. LGBT Youth Scotland is the third richest company in the industry, with a revenue of £1.1m (after Stonewall £7.2m and LGBT Foundation £2.1m).

Scottish govt gave them a direct grant of £260,000 in 2016/17.
beta.gov.scot/publications/equality-funding-2016-2017/

But this funding seems to be discontinued?
beta.gov.scot/publications/equality-funding-pecf-2017-2020/

Maybe the government read the guidance they have supposedly endorsed:

www.lgbtyouth.org.uk/media/1344/supporting-transgender-young-people.pdf

“I experienced transphobic bullying even though I didn't realise I was transgender purely because I dressed like a boy.”– Trans young person

WTAF does this mean?!?

The term cisgender means someone whose gender identity corresponds to their assigned sex, that is, someone who is not transgender.

This reads like literal violence to me!

Staff and learners should avoid 'deadnaming'. This is when someone intentionally calls a transgender young person by their previous name. Depending on the situation, it could be distressing for the young person, or be viewed as bullying.

Yet no woman got antsy about maiden/married name mix ups ever.

If parents of other children voice concerns about their child sharing toilets and/or changing rooms with a trans learner, they should be reminded of the school's ethos of inclusion

meaning exclusion

If a learner feels uncomfortable sharing facilities with a transgender young person, they can be allowed to use a private facility such as an accessible toilet, or to get changed after the trans young person is done.

because girls and their feelings are irrelevant

Binders can, however, have a positive impact on a young person's mental health so staff should allow a young person to decide

If a transgender young person wants to share a room with other young people who share their gender identity, they should be able to do so
If a transgender young person is sharing a room with their peers, there is no reason for parents or carers of the other young people to be informed

Risk assessments should not be used to exclude a transgender young person
Risk assessments should be realistic and based on actual risk

It is important to respect a young person's right to privacy. Being transgender is not a child protection issue or wellbeing concern in itself

Excluding transgender voices, identities and topics in schools, even unintentionally, when young people already know about them, can end out a negative message.
The best approach is to ensure transgender identities and xperiences are explicit within subject-specific experiences and outcomes.

And of course the obligatory link to Mermaids for advice.

Chilling stuff.

They received 900K in 2017 over three years

It sure is a money spinner. Look at what Gendered Intelligence charges for their workshops. Expensive business being woke.

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/gendered-intelligence-conference-2018-transforming-spaces-tickets-47661429619

The provide youth groups and some really positive support and counseling for young people struggling with their sexuality or other issues such as domestic abuse, homelessness etc.

Admirable campaigns on tackling homophobia in schools.

The trans stuff is off the wall though. The Charter Mark is just a way to bring in money and schools etc want to get the badge of equality for their own reputation, positive do-good image.

It is a bit 'cult' like when you are immersed and involved or employed by them. There's no room to voice anything but the party line.

She said lesbians oppress bisexuals.

In addition to the trans thing (although obviously it's related), the attitudes to lesbians is just worrying me more and more. I'm seeing a lot of lesbophobic crap from the TQ members of our so-called community initially online but it is very much seeping into real life.

I think it has been a major problem for younger lesbians for a long time but it's just so prevalent now and they are so confident in their 'woke' bigotry. (I don't want to be too specific but a friend of mine recently went to an event at an LGBTQ organisation and the things she told me that were said to her were absolutely shocking - This is someone who didn't have any knowledge of the whole trans/queer thing as she came out and did the whole LGB groups stuff years ago. It was the kind of crap that we used to get coming out in 80s/90s but now presented as 'woke' and 'progressive' because lesbians are the privileged oppressors.)

Then on here we repeatedly get the 'but you let those predatory lesbians into women's toilets/changing rooms so you might as well let men in'.

It really worries me that (LGB)TQ organisations are gaining some mainstream ground and going into work places. At the moment, straight society is less hostile to lesbians than the (LGB)TQ community but, if they are gaining more of a mainsteam foothold, masses of young people are identifying as in some way genderqueer and buying into the ideology and these organisations are getting into workplaces etc, they could spread this poison even further.

And allegedly these organisations represent me.

I agree Manic. I've seen 'the threat of lesbians' used so often in the last year as a gotcha argument to justify why people shouldn't be concerned about male pattern behaviour in women's spaces.

It's really worrying that this attitude is becoming prevalent in parallel to the meteoric rise in GNC girls announcing they are boys.

LGBT Youth Scotland's 'mandate' historically covered 13-25 year olds. Somewhere in the last year or so, this has been extended to all children and they are now firmly in primary schools across Scotland. I can't see any reason why this should have been arbitarily extended, they appear to have just done it. In their supporting literature up to 2017, they talk about supporting young people age 13-25. But in 2018, they are now focussing on primary school children.

Can anyone shine a light on how a charity extends its mandate to cover pre-high school children? Is there a protocol for this, or can they simply decide that's what they are going to do?

They are currently working on their 'LGBT Schools Charter' in a number of primary schools, the first having been in the ward of the Dundee councillor (of the women are cunts fame) Gregor Fisher, I think?

'Their LGB stuff is great of course'

The idea of having lgb training is good.
I think the tie campaign, male dominated as it is, does a better job of that.

Their actual knowledge and comfort in discussing lgb issues is ime worse than useless. It's harmful.

Pretending lesbians aren't punished for failing to perform gender properly is ignorant at best.

My colleagues and I wanted to learn more about how to support lesbians in particular in our work.
I thought it might make work safer for me as a lesbian.
Instead I ended up having to out myself to leverage my lived experience to enable me to correct their misinformation.

Gregor Murray!

Poor Gregor fisher

Yes, I knew something wasn't right there Super

Also something not right, an organisation that itself had previously been infiltrated by peadophiles publishing advice that the parents of children who confide gender confusion issues to adults need not be told. So basically advising the keeping of secrets, against all standard safeguarding practices @lisamuggeridge, please comment

I am sure the people now working for LGBT Youth Scotland have the purest intentions and integrity, and are working hard to give good advice to children....but surely to fuck they can see the inherent risk of such advice? That safeguarding practices are there for good reason and adults should not be keeping vulnerable children's 'secrets' from their parents? And it bloody protects the employees of LGBT Youth Scotland too.

What a lovely new campaign they just started: www.lgbtyouth.org.uk/get-involved/campaigns/ourlives/

Thanks Cara

Wrong again. They've got quite a massive support base, actually. ;)

Excellent Bridge. Glad to find someone so knowledgable about them. Can you tell me who is responsible for governship of the chat lines they operate?

I know it violates you policy of remaining comfortably in your little toxic bubble, but you could always ask them. 😉