Tell me about LGBT Youth Scotland

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What is this organisation and why would a children's charity want to "achieve a charter mark" from them?

I found a costs page on their website, what are they charging this money for exactly? It seems like a lot.

www.lgbtyouth.org.uk/lgbt-charter/lgbt-charter/lgbt-charter-pricing/

I mean, basically, if you actually give a monkey's about all this stuff, shouldn't one of you... ANY of you... actually ask them your questions direct?

Until you do that, you're nothing more than conspiracy theorist keyboard warriors.

My limited experience of their actual services (haven't experienced training - thank God by the sounds of it) is pretty positive. Problem is that it would be hard for good workers to challenge any concerns from within if you risked being labelled "anti trans".

The primary school charter mark thing is a bit of a concern.

I don't think it's fair to judge the current organisation on the errors of the James rennie era.

Like I said, I volunteered there for a few years. I'm a lesbian with three kids btw, in case you were wondering. And like I said, it's an amazing organisation. Give em a ring tomorrow if you have an ounce of seriousness about all of this.

Lots and lots and lots of money is given to LGBTYS by the Scottish Government therefore they are accountable to the public.

This is a public forum. There is no reason whatsoever that these questions should not be asked on a public forum.

PS. Before I get another weird question from Clown, I only stopped volunteering recently and not because I disagree with their work but because I have three kids. I fully expect to get involved again when they've all started school.

Okay, that's pretty conclusive then Clown. You've just made it totally clear that you have no intention of doing anything beyond ranting on Mumsnet.

It's not any poster's job to follow your instructions.
People are allowed to chat, and to wonder aloud.

This is true. It's just frustrating. When people literally devote their lives to campaigning for a better, nicer, warmer world and a bunch of misinformed people jeopardise the advances made by sitting around reinforcing each other's nonsense. And refusing to do anything beyond being a keyboard warrior.

The same malicious arguments being used against trans women these days were used against gay men a couple of decades ago. For the sake of my kids, I want us to avoid slipping back down that slope.

I'm also a lesbian with 3 children.
And a very different experience of the organization.

Ok, I'll bite.

Some questions for you..

What is a woman?

What "malicious arguments" are people here using?

Do you think being self described trans has any equivalency to bring gay?

You are a lesbian. Do some lesbians have penises?

*being

bridge you're saying this more eloquently than I could. I 100% agree with what you're saying.

dumbledora Just because you regarded yourself as a "classic tomboy" (girls actually do climb trees, skateboard and BMX etc...) doesn't mean your parents would have been told you were trans.

It's YOUR body dysphoria telling you trans, not some ill-informed stranger. Jesus, just because a girl likes to partake in stereotypical, gender assigned "boy" activities, as you've suggested, does in no way mean that girl is trans.

What a narrow minded view to take on the subject. A subject which you apparently have limited experience of.

This is the Feminism board. Girls can and do skate, BMX, climb trees etc... without being called Tomboys and being suspected as trans. It just sets us back years with opinions like that.

clown the reason the charter is being extended to primary school kids is that the gender and trans issues are subjects that need to be educated to the new generation. And, increasingly obvious on the Feminism board, the older generations.

It's lucky that in this day in age, a child can feel confident enough to decide that actually, they're not happy in the body they were born into and are fortunate enough that this is being recognised as a medical issue. Not a mental health issue. Now days, the kids have more support: medically, psychologically and physically that they can change their bodies to be the person they want to be.

This isn't a new issue. It's been here for years and years. Only recently has it been gaining more spotlight. We all need more education and understanding of this issue.

SylvanianFrenemies
Do you think being self described trans has any equivalency to bring gay?
You are a lesbian. Do some lesbians have penises?

Sexuality and gender are two different things.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/05/01/this-is-the-difference-between-gender-and-sexuality/

Well duh, @Salazaar I would think most feminists know that.

The reason I asked the question was because bridge was conflating oppression of gay men with current concerns about the trans movement.

Oh and the lesbians having penises thing was a check on the TWAW line. Obviously if TWAW they are simply women with penises, so no problem for lesbians. Some lesbian groups have faced a backlash for not including lesbians with penises. A friend of mine met a lady with a penis on a lesbian dating site. But bring a horrible transphobe she found her potential amour's cock and balls unappealing.

n.b. Autocorrect wants penises to be onesies, which could be confusing.

Conflating gay man with concerns about the trans activism is homophobic horseshit, the PIE tried this too - and were pushed back (quite rightly)

Transgender people who have genuine gender dysphoria are worlds apart from the aggressive TRA movement. There seems to be a fairly easy way to see if someone Male bodied has genuine gender dysphoria : if they present as feminine but respect that women sometimes require sex segregated spaces and as such even feminine presenting Male bodied people shouldn’t access those spaces - then fairly safe to say genuine.

If they think that dressing like a males idea of a porn fantasy makes them a women and entitles them disregard women’s boundaries- TRA
Or makes no effort whatsoever to present as a woman and disregards women’s boundaries- TRA

Uh oh. I see this once cosy thread has now attracted the attention of the people who are obsessed with talking about genitalia. Hold onto your tinfoil hats!

Many people consider genitals one if the significant differences between men and women.

But up you'd rather sidestep that line of discussion I'd still love to know "What s a woman?"

Wow, as a bystander, bridgebuilder's interjection just raises red flags.

sylvanian did you just reply with "well duh"? Very smart... I have no idea how to answer that well thought out response. I'm humbled...

However, the parallels between oppression (and scare mongering) of gay men and women, the battles they went through to be recognised legally, and fighting against the public and government which deemed homosexuality as curable and a mental health issue, are clearly obvious. As per the remarks on this post and many others on the Feminism board.

In 10/20 years time, transgenderism will be as widely accepted as homosexuality.

underhereye also has it spot on when mentioning the respect issues regarding transwomen respecting a CIS woman's right to privacy and a safe place for us.

Personally, I have less of an issue with a trans woman using the same changing rooms or loo. I have more of an issue with communal changing rooms, toilets, hospital wards etc...