Tell me about LGBT Youth Scotland

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What is this organisation and why would a children's charity want to "achieve a charter mark" from them?

I found a costs page on their website, what are they charging this money for exactly? It seems like a lot.

www.lgbtyouth.org.uk/lgbt-charter/lgbt-charter/lgbt-charter-pricing/

Has anyone spoken to their MSP about the supposed government endorsement? Surely, they must be taking some action about this.

I've spoken to mine, not about the government fake endorsement but my LA endorsement despite not having carried out an equality impact assessment before giving that endorsement. My MSP will be writing to my LA asking what assessment took place prior to the endorsement being given. I figured that there was little point in asking MSP to comment on the swift backtracking, but I might get an interesting response on the fact my LA has failed to assess the impact of this guidance as per their Public Sector Equality Duty.

I'll post back if/when I get an update.

Any further thought of how Scottish Trans Alliance have infiltrated all groups.? Tis concerning, don't you think?

I've heard rumour that a prominent member of STA has boasted of their cynical virtue signalling with women's orgs to get them 'onside' using a stereotypically female cause which they claim to support, thus appearing to be supportive when they couldn't actually give a shit.

Wonder how all these fawning 'woke' women's orgs will feel knowing they've all been taken for mugs, wilfully standing by idle as women/girls legal rights/protections are being traded on 'woke' cookies?

Didn't STA have the gall to actively lobby for the removal of the genuine occupational requirement for women's refuges/rape crisis centres while at the same time lobbying for trans people to have the right to be treated/counselled by trans people? I mean, you really couldn't get a brassier neck that STA!

Here it is direct from STA's website just so people can see for themselves:

• Remove the exception that allows single sex services to discriminate against trans people

• Remove the genuine occupational requirement (GOR) allowing some jobs to require applicants must be cisgender and replace it with a GOR allowing posts delivering trans-specific services to require applicants must be transgender

www.scottishtrans.org/our-work/completed-work/uk-inquiry-into-trans-equality/

Hi @BridgeBuilder76 you didn't respond to my point about why me not wanting my daughter to have to get showered and changed with men and boys was 'scare-mongering'.
Can you explain please?

I just stumbled across this thread - I have to say it is fascinating reading. What's so special about LGBT YS that means some people are trying so very hard to shut down fairly innocuous discussion?

I think Bridge has realised her mistake

Sturdy so Scottish Trans Alliance actively campaign for the removal of rights from women, such as the right to a female rape counsellor, while advocating that there should be trans only roles? If it weren’t as busy as Piccadilly Circus on this board I’d say that warrants it’s own thread! Absolutely brazen and scandalous. And demonstrates very clearly the conflict of between the rights of women and the demands of trans orgs.

That's absolutely correct lemonjello, you need only click on the link to see their own words on their own website, brazen as you like, pushing for the removal of women's rights & replacing the GOR with trans only job roles for trans people requiring a specific service.

It is quite breathtaking in the level of brassiness of the neck of STA.

What puzzles me more is how the likes of Engender Scotland have stood back and let this narrative take hold not only in regards to the trans lobby & the GRA (not even taking the views of their members but deferring to STA's views instead) but in the specific targeting of women's rights. Not a peep from them in defending sex based rights & protections, no advocacy for the GOR despite supposedly being a lobby group for women & girls, and no effort to look at the impact on women & girls on any of the lobbying that STA have undertaken, or the submission on the GRA consultation. Engender had no issue with the fact no Equality Impact Assessment has been completed by the government on how the proposed GRA amendments would impact women & girls. And by all accounts, James Morton never sleeps, so busy they are with all the many people/organisations that Morton makes a point of buttering up to bestow many woke cookies upon.

'Tis all very puzzling but I'm derailing from the important scrutiny on LGBT Youth Scotland so I'll leave it there.

It's almost like Engender are REAL feminists.

All the lols

I have no reason to suggest that Engender are not "REAL Feminists". Everyone makes mistakes. But I'm interested to hear why "Engender had no issue with the fact no Equality Impact Assessment has been completed by the government on how the proposed GRA amendments would impact women & girls" makes them so. Does neglecting women's rights make someone a feminist? Perhaps someone would like to answer the question "what is a woman"? Is that a hard question to answer?

As you say you have inside knowledge of the organisation and are confident that all is well, you could have used this thread to set people's minds at rest, bridgebuilder.

You didn't.

Seems odd, don't you think?

If someone was spreading doubt about an organisation I was affiliated with, my first response would be to explain the ways in which they were mistaken or misled, using my knowledge, to help allay their fears. I'd want to help spread a positive message.

My first response wouldn't be OHMYGOD YOU HATEFUL QUESTION ASKER SHUT UP. Do you see how it looks?

Or 'god what a loser you are if you're a lesbian who comes away from LGBT ys workplace training feeling your coworkers were poorly informed by the trainer - get some resilience'

(Resilience not at all being one of those words designed to out autistic women in our place at all)

Madeline Kearns mentions LGBT Youth Scotland in her Spectator article:

www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/dont-tell-the-parents-official-guidance-to-teachers-of-trans-children/

As a teacher she went to a training session led by them two years ago.

Also from the article:

Last year, LGBT Youth Scotland received more than £1 million in grants, including £350,000 from the Scottish government, £160,000 from local authorities (all but one SNP-controlled), and £75,000 from Education Scotland. Mermaids UK, meanwhile, was granted £35,000 from the Department for Education and £128,000 from Children in Need.

I recommend listening to the spectator podcast with Madeleine & IW. Links in with the article and series she's working on.

forwomen.scot/24/09/2018/twitter-thread-re-lgbt-youth-scotland/

That's a really dumb thread, Wings. Full of made up nonsense. And you're shamelessly slandering them by suggesting it's run by paedophiles.

It was run by a paedophile though Interesting that you think it’s slanderous to talk about that.

What puzzles me more is how the likes of Engender Scotland have stood back and let this narrative take hold not only in regards to the trans lobby & the GRA (not even taking the views of their members but deferring to STA's views instead) but in the specific targeting of women's rights.

Charities in Scotland are required to be "inclusive" to receive funding...

So paedophile + child porn links and fake government endorsements… perhaps not the best choice of people to decide what should be taught to children.

But let’s take a look at some of its materials, shall we, and see if there is anything concerning…

Well we know from the press that these concerns are entirely correct, as quoted further up the thread. All seems like a perfectly rational approach to me Bridgebuilder, tell me do you have any children? Also which particular part of the thread is made up nonsense?

You're using a news article from nearly ten years ago to slander a charity by suggesting it's run by paedophiles. That's a really dirty tactic and you should be ashamed of stooping that low. It does, however, quite effectively show that you've got no real ammunition if it's come to this.

link

no link

Do you see the difference between those two things?

bumping this, given the Scottish Poll results

breastfeedingclownfish Sun 14-Oct-18 21:57:11

LGBT Youth Scotland advocates that cross dressers be included in the defintion of transgender.

Their submission to the Women and Equalities committee:

"We recommend expanding the protected characteristic of gender reassignment to include gender identity and expression so that non-binary identities and cross-dressers are clearly covered."

data.parliament.uk/WrittenEvidence/CommitteeEvidence.svc/EvidenceDocument/Women%20and%20Equalities/Transgender%20Equality/written/19582.html

LemonJello Sun 14-Oct-18 21:59:13

Why the fuck would a youth organisation be advocating on behalf of cross dressers?