Muslim rights vs Transgender rights

[DJLippy]

A beauty Salon in Ontario in Canada is being sued because a Muslim beautician refused to wax a transgeder woman's legs for religious reasons. It's being likened to refusing to serve gay people.

Is the Muslim community in the UK aware of the impact that self-ID would have on their right to practice their religion?

windsor.ctvnews.ca/human-rights-application-launched-against-windsor-body-waxing-business-by-transgender-woman-1.3925911#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=twitter&_gsc=2lV42Ii

Are you saying religious homophobia is a good thing?

Why is that homophobia?

Most muslim salons only allow women, but within most forms of Islam itself the definition of women is flexible. Chances are if the trans woman had gone to another muslim salon, even next door, she would have been allowed.

It's a transwoman but I would be interested to know at what stage of her transition she was on. It's Canada so maybe they have undergone no medical transition? What is Islam's position on this would be very interested in hearing form anyone with any experience.

Are you saying religious homophobia is a good thing?

All clients regardless of sex, gender, gender identity or sexual orientation are welcome,” said Carruthers. “However, we also welcome staff members and respect their religious beliefs and feelings of safety and dignity in regards to the right not to perform waxing services on males or male genitals from the article.

They were refusing to intimately serve a male person for being male. Not for being gay, the Transgender person was quite possibly straight.

It's a woman's right not to perform intimate services on males if you can't or aren't comfortable.

The case included a crack and sack wax. If you're not comfortable doing crack and sack wax you shouldn't have to do it when you're a professional trained in female intimate waxing.

Being sued for harm to dignity. What about the harm to the dignity of the waxer who did not want to wax male gentalia?

I'm not Muslim but there's no way I'd be doing a sack n crack wax if I worked in a women's beauty salon.

It is not a human right to force a woman to handle your dick. JFC.

If a Muslim woman knowingly touched a man's genitals, it could literally ruin her life. In some cases, depending on how conservative the family is, she may be outcasted. I am supporting the salon here.

The application to the HRTO says Carruthers’ “refusal to provide me with leg-waxing services because I am a Transgender woman, and their disclosing my name, gender identity and personal information to various media outlets has left me feeling threatened, exposed, with my rights violated in terms of seeking services as a woman in the Windsor-Essex community.”

DIdn't the transwoman launch the court case? Why would the Salon owner have publicized this? They would have just hung up and gone about their business.

Fucking twat. The hairy one ,not the employee.

I suspect that this business was targeted specifically to make a point.

The woman had every right to refuse, Muslim or not, but this is Canada so women no longer matter.

bishy

Do you know what homophobia is?

No woman should be compelled to handle anyone's genitals they don't want to. It's that simple.

I think this is a double whammy because obviously everybody should be able to refuse such a thing but Muslims have another protected characteristic under Equality legislation which is the freedom to practice their religion. Not sure what Canada's law's are but pretty sure religious freedom is an important right in a multi-cultural country.

This isn't homophonic. It isn't even a trans issue.

No woman should be compelled to do anything she really doesn't want to do or which makes her uncomfortable, particularly when it involves handling/touching/treating genitalia.

The fact there is any doubt that she was completely within her rights to decline to conduct the treatment just shows how crazy this debate has become.

Tbf, the person in question was requesting a leg wax., not a 'bikini' one.

It’s legs, nothing to do with genitals. It’s also not homophobia, gender and sexual orientation are two entirely different things

I’ve been wondering this (transgender ‘rights’ vs religious freedom) as the yoga studio I go to have recently started an Ummah Yoga women-only class, with Muslim women in mind, but open to women of any faiths and none. The listing doesn’t specify how they are defining woman, and you’d hope that any decent male-bodied person would not seek to impose themselves upon Muslim women needing a single sex space to exercise in, however they (the male-bodied person) viewed their own gender identity. But I do fear that someone may try to take advantage. It’s a very multicultural historically working class area undergoing gentrification rapidly.

As I’m neither Muslim nor transgender, it’s not my personal issue, but I really hope that the studio are ready to invoke the EA exceptions to maintain a single-sex space should they be challenged.

It's all very well saying it's only legs not genitals, but I wouldn't want to defuzz a strange man in his underpants right up his thigh and everything.

It's not transphobia OR homophobia

Take genitals out of it and the principle is the same, nobody should be forced to have physical contact with someone they don't want to.

Another Canadian beauty salon story

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-human-rights-complaint-1.3735833

Yes, mate, your T-shirt says it all...you were taking the mickey.

But this never ever happens right?

The guy does look creepy, I’d be fearing my safety as well.

I worry the Muslim community has not realised the implications of self Id. Indeed any religion that has a preference for modesty in front of the opposite sex.
If things continue the way they are trans activists will drive Muslim women out of any occupation that might put her in close proximity with women 😡
And unable to access any public service including medical.