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Transwoman complains that The Handmaid's Tale should include them...

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Destinysdaughter · 10/05/2018 15:06

"For most ­women, Hulu’s The Handmaid’s Tale is terrifying and heart-wrenching. The show’s portrayal of a world that is dehumanizing, spiteful, and disgustingly violent toward womanhood feels only a few steps removed from today’s reality. Yet unlike most women, I have found it hard to actually identify into a world where I, as a transgender woman, would already be dead.

The Handmaid’s Tale is set in Gilead, a near-future society where the political fallout of a worldwide infertility crisis and nuclear war led to a nonspecified religious sect gaining political control of America. In this society, fertile women are both venerated and subjugated. They become "handmaids" - a farmed resource, banned from reading and free movement, and subjected to ritualized rape and abuse. Any nonfertile women seen in the show are either torturing the handmaids or serve as housekeepers, as wives, or in other stereotypically domestic roles.

Under the new religious regime, people showing LGBT tendencies, such as having same-sex relationships, are immediately killed as “gender traitors” or sent to a nuclear wasteland to work until they die from radiation poisoning. The only exceptions are the handmaids, whose fertility is precious, and therefore they are protected from the death penalty. Yet this doesn’t stop them from being punished in horrific ways.

It’s not shocking that trans people aren’t represented in this world. Unlike many of our cisgender queer counterparts, transgender people who have started transitioning may find it very hard to go back into the closet to protect ourselves. We are sometimes very visibly transgender due to old-fashioned gender stereotypes that a society like Gilead heavily leans into. We trans people would quickly be branded “gender traitors.”

Even the fertility that protects other queer women in The Handmaid’s Tale may be out of reach for transgender people. Many trans people, especially trans women like myself, become sterile when they take hormones or have gender-confirmation surgery. Even more horrifying, in many countries around the world like Greece, Belgium, and Finland, trans people have to prove they are sterile before they can even change their gender markers. France only just outlawed this practice as inhumane last year.

With all this in mind, it becomes hard for me to identify within the world of The Handmaid’s Tale. How can I feel June’s terror at her situation when I know I would never face it myself? I can sympathize but not empathize with so many of the show's stories. This feeling of being left out can sometimes hurt, especially given the cultural significance that The Handmaid’s Tale has come to represent for a lot of women under the Trump administration.

That’s not to say that I demand trans representation in The Handmaid’s Tale like I do from other TV shows. The Handmaid’s Tale represents an important conversation we need to have about women’s place in the world. With Donald Trump’s attacks on women’s health organizations like Planned Parenthood, women’s reproductive health is very much at stake. It’s a crucial fight that I as a woman without a uterus don’t have the right to suppress. While I am a woman and will always fight for inclusion in women’s spaces, there are battles that cis women face that trans women don’t, and there are battles that cis women don’t face that trans women do. Yet we are all still women. We (should) all stand together to fight for and with each other.

The trans community’s exclusion from the futuristic narrative of The Handmaid’s Tale is understandable. It just becomes emblematic of the daily fears that I face. Every time I hear about the trans military ban, the Department of Education rescinding protections for trans students, a transgender bathroom bill being voted on, or another conservative rally screaming out, “There are only two genders!” I'm reminded that I and trans people like me would likely be the first ones to die if Gilead ever comes to pass.

Yet maybe The Handmaid’s Tale should address this. The series often presents flashbacks showing how Gilead came to be. Perhaps a trans person’s struggles could appear there. Or back in the future world of Gilead, what if a character identified as transgender in this world? How would they hide or suppress it? Or what if there was a “passing” infertile trans woman who desperately had to hide her trans identity from the government? Or a trans man still able to carry babies forced to be a handmaid despite being a man? Adding trans people to the narrative could complicate the story in new and interesting ways that draw attention to not only the oppression of all trans people, but all genders (#ImAvailableforaWritersRoomJob).

I’m preparing to binge every episode of The Handmaid’s Tale. The show’s lack of transgender characters, whether intentional or unintentional, brings up a lot of questions about what the future may hold for the trans community in a dystopian world. Even if a real Gilead comes to pass - and I don't make it through the first act - I still want to know how it ends. I'm just saddened that I may not get to join the fight."

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SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 10/05/2018 15:08

How can I feel June’s terror at her situation when I know I would never face it myself?

Yeah, it's a fucking poser isn't it? How can anyone be brought to give a shit about something that doesn't affect them personally?

What a fucking douchebag.

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SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 10/05/2018 15:09

Jesus this makes me angry.

the way things are going, anyway, the transwomen would all be commanders' wives, forcing 'cis' women to bear children for them with all their fucking 'cis privilege'.

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SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 10/05/2018 15:12

What if this, what if that? What if I could be placed at the centre of every narrative and it was all about meeeee?

In Gilead, as in Britain when women didn't have the vote, largely didn't work, weren't allowed sexual freedom or rights over their own reproduction, my guess is a lot fewer men would feel that they were really women trapped in the wrong body. Once the power was more comfortably with them, I'm pretty sure they'd be unlikely to identify with the very obviously oppressed group.

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Cocolepew · 10/05/2018 15:14

What an absolute bellend.

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SpareRibFem · 10/05/2018 15:15

Where is this from?

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Crispbutty · 10/05/2018 15:17

"Even the fertility that protects other queer women in The Handmaid’s Tale may be out of reach for transgender people"

I dont think there is any "may" about it for those men.

"The show’s lack of transgender characters, whether intentional or unintentional"

ermmmm that could be because they are you know.. dead... as per the storyline..

FFS....

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Sontaran · 10/05/2018 15:17

What the actual fucking fuck?

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ErrolTheDragon · 10/05/2018 15:17

That’s not to say that I demand trans representation in The Handmaid’s Tale like I do from other TV shows

(Sorry, don't know how to get rid of the accidental strike through) ...
Seriously, in a world where so few shows and films pass the bechedel test?

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TheUterati · 10/05/2018 15:20

It's hard for him to identify because it is not his story of oppression that is based on female reproductive class.

The way these narcissists manage to spin things is gob-smacking. Were there to be a drama about the Suffragettes would they start bleating on about 'being excluded from the narrative and marginalised'? Yes you are excluded: because this is not your story and this is not your oppression.

JFHC

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Destinysdaughter · 10/05/2018 15:21
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YessicaHaircut · 10/05/2018 15:21

I’d rather be dead than be a handmaid. Do I win?

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TheUterati · 10/05/2018 15:22

And has this person not worked out that one of the purposes of art, drama, fiction etc is that you are thereby offered an insight into a world that does not involve the RL you, and that you are invited to feel emotions in response to a situation that could never apply to you.

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SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 10/05/2018 15:23

Anyway, there is no way the SWs could do this that wouldn't massively offend the TRAs, assuming they remained faithful to the essential spirit of Gilead and a semblance of psychological realism.

A trans character who had medically transitioned and was therefore infertile would be put to death.

A trans person who had not undergone surgery would have to remain committed to the belief that they were the sex they wanted to be, and be put to death, or else leap right back in the closet to preserve their own life.

But I think if a Lily smartish decided they were and always had been a Liam (for example), there would be outrage that any trans person would simply adopt a gender for convenience or personal advantage, or that they were in any way not actually the sex they had been saying they were.

If a Caitlin decided they were and always had been Bruce (for example), and due to their pre-existing power and status were accepted as a commander, that would be interesting. Or if they could persuade Gilead to let them stay as a Commander's Wife, while other female candidates for the role of wife were sent to the colonies, that would be very interesting.

But I don't think they'd really dare go there, and probably wisely so!

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JoanFrenulum · 10/05/2018 15:26

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LangCleg · 10/05/2018 15:26

ME
ME
ME
ME
ME
ME
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ME
ME
ME

What about ME?

Why isn't everything about ME?

Does anybody else except for ME actually exist?

Are the 7 billion human beings on the planet mere bit parts in the psychodrama of ME?

Of course they are. What about ME?

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SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 10/05/2018 15:28

Yeah, if transwomen are women, then this is about you, isn't it? You're the same, right? So you are in it, hurrah!

Unless of course.....

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KevinTurvey · 10/05/2018 15:28

What utter ridiculous dross.

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SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 10/05/2018 15:30

June et al aren't made to be handmaids because they 'identify as women'. They didn't issue orders to 'round up the cis women' who like gender stereotypes.

If this doofus thought about it for five minutes, they might realise this egotistical whingeing really shoots them in the foot.

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Greymisty · 10/05/2018 15:30

But they kno what will happen to them. They'll either pass and be an infertile wife/housekeeper/whatever or they won't pass and they get killed with lots of other people for lots of different reasons.

Trans men who still remain fertile will get the handmaiden role.

Under the birds eye!

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BrieAndChilli · 10/05/2018 15:31

I really like the film zootopia m(I have 3 kids so not much control of the films we watch!!) it’s all fucking animals, I’m not demanding that the put humans in so I can identify with the characters more!!

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VaguelyAware · 10/05/2018 15:36

Why would a character in a fictional storyline choose to out themselves as identifying in such a way that would lead to their certain death, probably after they had been tortured to see if they knew of any other gender traitors / who had helped them or turned a blind eye? All such individuals would have been murdered at the time of the revolution and, any that remain would, if they had any sense at all, keep very quiet about it. It's not directly comparable to the storyline in the first series between Ofglen & the Martha she was involved with.

It does seem that everything is transphobic. I don't recall there being any religious groups in the first series, except for Christians - does that mean the series is inciting religious hatred too, because they were omitted? (Sarcasm, obviously.)

Some people need to be careful what they wish for. If the eyes of the world are turned towards the trans narrative, perhaps people will suddenly be able to see it for what it is.

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Xenophile · 10/05/2018 15:37

This reminds me more and more of the film Idiocracy.

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VaguelyAware · 10/05/2018 15:42

FWIW, my DD (off sick from school) watched Dumbo for the first time today. She cried when they took the mummy elephant away, & when she sang to Dumbo while cradling him out the window. And cheered at the end. She's 6 & she gets it that empathy with a character doesn't depend on being able to personally identify with them... FFS.

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Greymisty · 10/05/2018 15:50

vaguely I still cry at dumbo, the furnace fire scene in Toy Story and many others and I don't identify as an elephant or a toy.
Empathy rules.

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Destinysdaughter · 10/05/2018 15:53

Indeed. I used to cry at the end of Star Wars, when brave little R2D2 came up on stage and I'm not a robot!

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