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Transwoman complains that The Handmaid's Tale should include them...

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Destinysdaughter · 10/05/2018 15:06

"For most ­women, Hulu’s The Handmaid’s Tale is terrifying and heart-wrenching. The show’s portrayal of a world that is dehumanizing, spiteful, and disgustingly violent toward womanhood feels only a few steps removed from today’s reality. Yet unlike most women, I have found it hard to actually identify into a world where I, as a transgender woman, would already be dead.

The Handmaid’s Tale is set in Gilead, a near-future society where the political fallout of a worldwide infertility crisis and nuclear war led to a nonspecified religious sect gaining political control of America. In this society, fertile women are both venerated and subjugated. They become "handmaids" - a farmed resource, banned from reading and free movement, and subjected to ritualized rape and abuse. Any nonfertile women seen in the show are either torturing the handmaids or serve as housekeepers, as wives, or in other stereotypically domestic roles.

Under the new religious regime, people showing LGBT tendencies, such as having same-sex relationships, are immediately killed as “gender traitors” or sent to a nuclear wasteland to work until they die from radiation poisoning. The only exceptions are the handmaids, whose fertility is precious, and therefore they are protected from the death penalty. Yet this doesn’t stop them from being punished in horrific ways.

It’s not shocking that trans people aren’t represented in this world. Unlike many of our cisgender queer counterparts, transgender people who have started transitioning may find it very hard to go back into the closet to protect ourselves. We are sometimes very visibly transgender due to old-fashioned gender stereotypes that a society like Gilead heavily leans into. We trans people would quickly be branded “gender traitors.”

Even the fertility that protects other queer women in The Handmaid’s Tale may be out of reach for transgender people. Many trans people, especially trans women like myself, become sterile when they take hormones or have gender-confirmation surgery. Even more horrifying, in many countries around the world like Greece, Belgium, and Finland, trans people have to prove they are sterile before they can even change their gender markers. France only just outlawed this practice as inhumane last year.

With all this in mind, it becomes hard for me to identify within the world of The Handmaid’s Tale. How can I feel June’s terror at her situation when I know I would never face it myself? I can sympathize but not empathize with so many of the show's stories. This feeling of being left out can sometimes hurt, especially given the cultural significance that The Handmaid’s Tale has come to represent for a lot of women under the Trump administration.

That’s not to say that I demand trans representation in The Handmaid’s Tale like I do from other TV shows. The Handmaid’s Tale represents an important conversation we need to have about women’s place in the world. With Donald Trump’s attacks on women’s health organizations like Planned Parenthood, women’s reproductive health is very much at stake. It’s a crucial fight that I as a woman without a uterus don’t have the right to suppress. While I am a woman and will always fight for inclusion in women’s spaces, there are battles that cis women face that trans women don’t, and there are battles that cis women don’t face that trans women do. Yet we are all still women. We (should) all stand together to fight for and with each other.

The trans community’s exclusion from the futuristic narrative of The Handmaid’s Tale is understandable. It just becomes emblematic of the daily fears that I face. Every time I hear about the trans military ban, the Department of Education rescinding protections for trans students, a transgender bathroom bill being voted on, or another conservative rally screaming out, “There are only two genders!” I'm reminded that I and trans people like me would likely be the first ones to die if Gilead ever comes to pass.

Yet maybe The Handmaid’s Tale should address this. The series often presents flashbacks showing how Gilead came to be. Perhaps a trans person’s struggles could appear there. Or back in the future world of Gilead, what if a character identified as transgender in this world? How would they hide or suppress it? Or what if there was a “passing” infertile trans woman who desperately had to hide her trans identity from the government? Or a trans man still able to carry babies forced to be a handmaid despite being a man? Adding trans people to the narrative could complicate the story in new and interesting ways that draw attention to not only the oppression of all trans people, but all genders (#ImAvailableforaWritersRoomJob).

I’m preparing to binge every episode of The Handmaid’s Tale. The show’s lack of transgender characters, whether intentional or unintentional, brings up a lot of questions about what the future may hold for the trans community in a dystopian world. Even if a real Gilead comes to pass - and I don't make it through the first act - I still want to know how it ends. I'm just saddened that I may not get to join the fight."

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ToeToToe · 11/05/2018 11:16

I don't have the words to describe how much it pisses me off that a tomboy in classic literature is being retrospectively transed.

I saw a picture/meme that had Disney's Merida, Elsa and Little Mermaid as trans boys - with Merida showing mastectomy scars, and Elsa cutting off her plait.

This sort of narrative is literally telling young girls that if they like physical pursuits, or are brave, or if they don't want to dress like a princess and have high heels and makeup - they are really boys. And we wonder why there has been such an increase in young girls being referred to the Tavistock centre.

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/05/2018 11:27

How on earth could Elsa - who chose to give herself a sparkly dress with a thigh high slit in and a pair of heels - be mistaken for a transman who wanted to cut her plait off?
The Merida and Jo March ones are incredibly irritating -as it tells little girls that any physical prowess of their's, or lack of interest in being pretty, and they must be a man. And it's offensive because it totally misses the point of why these girls wanted to be more 'boyish' - the constraints society put on them - which they wanted to rebel against - because of their female sex. Not a problem with their sex itself - a problem with the way they were treated because of it... but no it's more right on' to brush all that under the carpet and make them boys instead.
But Elsa and Ariel? In what way are either of them - in any way - even slightly non-gender conforming?

BeyondParody · 11/05/2018 11:35

"chose to give herself a sparkly dress with a thigh high slit in and a pair of heels"

Elsa is clearly a drag queen, if we're trans-umbrella-ifying Disney...

Willow2017 · 11/05/2018 11:52

The Merida and Jo March ones are incredibly irritating -as it tells little girls that any physical prowess of their's, or lack of interest in being pretty, and they must be a man. And it's offensive because it totally misses the point of why these girls wanted to be more 'boyish' - the constraints society put on them - which they wanted to rebel against - because of their female sex. Not a problem with their sex itself - a problem with the way they were treated because of it... but no it's more right on' to brush all that under the carpet and make them boys instead.

^ this.

I was a tomboy and loved Jo for being herself and not conforming to what society expected of a woman. For not settling for the lovely boy next door just because society expected her to get married to a rich man. For climbing trees and having messy hair (and for cutting off her hair which was shocking for a woman then)

Fuck off with explaining it as she was trans. No she was a woman with her own mind and didnt comply with society's expectations of her and was successful in her own right, while still being a woman, wife of a husband she loved and respected and a mother.

R0wantrees · 11/05/2018 11:59

I also immediately thought of Jo in 'Little Women' and also George in 'The Famous Five'. They were the characters I loved!

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/05/2018 12:06

The blog post finishes with a Louisa M Alcott quote - which I would argue suggests she was a lesbian, although she doesn't use those words - and claims that this is proof of her transgenderism. Conflating the way she expresses herself with being trans shows a complete lack of understanding of lesbian history - and how gay people were viewed in those times. I remember reading a purple sage blog post about lesbianism in victorian times - and how doctors were convinced that lesbians were men in women's bodies because they were attracted to women (and gay men vice versa).
Louisa M Alcott said she was half convinced she had a man's soul because she falls in love with pretty girls and has never fallen in love with a man. That suggests to me that she is a lesbian who doesn't realise that lesbianism is a thing - not a woman who wants a penis.
There is so much lesbian erasure in the trans movement it is untrue!

SimonBridges · 11/05/2018 12:55

There is so much lesbian erasure in the trans movement it is untrue

It’s simply horrid. Lesbians are being thrown under the bus here.
A woman who wears her hair short, doesn’t use make up, wears traditionally masculine clothes, is attracted to women is not, necessarily a man.

ErrolTheDragon · 11/05/2018 13:40

cutting off her hair which was shocking for a woman then

And sobbing about her sacrifice later - she sold her hair, which was her 'womanly' pride and glory, because it was her only way to raise some money to help her family.

BeyondParody · 11/05/2018 13:51

Speaking of selling hair, Les mis is exclusionary too (though maybe fantine was a transman too?). Full of French people, no British at all.

And it’s clearly swerfy

Willow2017 · 11/05/2018 14:17

Yes i know why she did it but it was still a huge thing to do in a society that expected girls/women to conform no matter what and be sweet, demure, easy on the eye and 'accomplished' (and its not surprised she was upset about her own hair being chopped off with no proper style to it. She did it on impulse to help and the reality sank in later😀)

kissthealderman · 18/05/2018 18:43

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boatyardblues · 18/05/2018 19:10

They were transmen (fake beards as women not otherwise allowed to participate) but otherwise true. Kinda like James Barry (female surgeon), who has been claimed for the cause.

Bowlofbabelfish · 18/05/2018 19:10

Christ on a bike..

I wonder if he watched 12 years a slave and decided it wasn’t quite centred enough on his struggles as a white person..?

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ... etc.

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Albadross · 18/05/2018 20:11

"For most ­women, Hulu’s The Handmaid’s Tale is terrifying and heart-wrenching." but NOT FOR ME BECAUSE... oh.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 18/05/2018 20:37

I'm glad I can empathise with narratives that completely forget to feature any representation of the 51% of the world's population. Otherwise I'd have been able to emotionally connect with about four films in my life.

Contrast this self obsessed wibbling with the Bechdel test. Women get fuck all narratives but the second we have a couple ourselves it's all 'Move up, make space for meeeeeeeeeeeee!' Apropriative fuckers.

AncientLights · 18/05/2018 21:09

I'm very sorry to be thick and all that, but who or what is Hulu? Isn't it Margaret Attwood's Handmaid's Tale?

ToeToToe · 18/05/2018 21:33

Hulu are the network that made/showed it. It is Margaret Atwood's story.

ToeToToe · 18/05/2018 21:34

CH4, Sunday night everyone...

TheRagingGirl · 18/05/2018 21:54

the way things are going, anyway, the transwomen would all be commanders' wives, forcing 'cis' women to bear children for them with all their fucking 'cis privilege

Deed.

Remember Lily Madigan tweeting about womb transplants?

Think about it - such a transplant would generally require a dead women. Ugh

ToeToToe · 18/05/2018 22:00

There was a really seriously horrible quote doing the rounds on twitter a while back.

As a trans woman, my ideal future would be something like “The Handmaid’s Tale”, except trans women, AMaB nonbinary peeps, and cis men would be the ruling class, and cis women, trans men, and AFaB nonbinary folks would be sex/breeding slaves. TERFs would be publicly raped and tortured to death on national television. Laverne Cox would be President for Life, and AFaBs would have to submit to sex with AMaBs whenever demanded. This is my vision for a beautiful, trans woman-led world.

TheRagingGirl · 18/05/2018 22:02

Ugh, surely that can’t be serious? It’s a clearly ill person?

ToeToToe · 18/05/2018 22:04

Mmm. yes - I think there are a few quite ill people gaining attention at the moment, and er, fighting for rights. Normalisation of fetishes and so on.

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