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Transwoman complains that The Handmaid's Tale should include them...

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Destinysdaughter · 10/05/2018 15:06

"For most ­women, Hulu’s The Handmaid’s Tale is terrifying and heart-wrenching. The show’s portrayal of a world that is dehumanizing, spiteful, and disgustingly violent toward womanhood feels only a few steps removed from today’s reality. Yet unlike most women, I have found it hard to actually identify into a world where I, as a transgender woman, would already be dead.

The Handmaid’s Tale is set in Gilead, a near-future society where the political fallout of a worldwide infertility crisis and nuclear war led to a nonspecified religious sect gaining political control of America. In this society, fertile women are both venerated and subjugated. They become "handmaids" - a farmed resource, banned from reading and free movement, and subjected to ritualized rape and abuse. Any nonfertile women seen in the show are either torturing the handmaids or serve as housekeepers, as wives, or in other stereotypically domestic roles.

Under the new religious regime, people showing LGBT tendencies, such as having same-sex relationships, are immediately killed as “gender traitors” or sent to a nuclear wasteland to work until they die from radiation poisoning. The only exceptions are the handmaids, whose fertility is precious, and therefore they are protected from the death penalty. Yet this doesn’t stop them from being punished in horrific ways.

It’s not shocking that trans people aren’t represented in this world. Unlike many of our cisgender queer counterparts, transgender people who have started transitioning may find it very hard to go back into the closet to protect ourselves. We are sometimes very visibly transgender due to old-fashioned gender stereotypes that a society like Gilead heavily leans into. We trans people would quickly be branded “gender traitors.”

Even the fertility that protects other queer women in The Handmaid’s Tale may be out of reach for transgender people. Many trans people, especially trans women like myself, become sterile when they take hormones or have gender-confirmation surgery. Even more horrifying, in many countries around the world like Greece, Belgium, and Finland, trans people have to prove they are sterile before they can even change their gender markers. France only just outlawed this practice as inhumane last year.

With all this in mind, it becomes hard for me to identify within the world of The Handmaid’s Tale. How can I feel June’s terror at her situation when I know I would never face it myself? I can sympathize but not empathize with so many of the show's stories. This feeling of being left out can sometimes hurt, especially given the cultural significance that The Handmaid’s Tale has come to represent for a lot of women under the Trump administration.

That’s not to say that I demand trans representation in The Handmaid’s Tale like I do from other TV shows. The Handmaid’s Tale represents an important conversation we need to have about women’s place in the world. With Donald Trump’s attacks on women’s health organizations like Planned Parenthood, women’s reproductive health is very much at stake. It’s a crucial fight that I as a woman without a uterus don’t have the right to suppress. While I am a woman and will always fight for inclusion in women’s spaces, there are battles that cis women face that trans women don’t, and there are battles that cis women don’t face that trans women do. Yet we are all still women. We (should) all stand together to fight for and with each other.

The trans community’s exclusion from the futuristic narrative of The Handmaid’s Tale is understandable. It just becomes emblematic of the daily fears that I face. Every time I hear about the trans military ban, the Department of Education rescinding protections for trans students, a transgender bathroom bill being voted on, or another conservative rally screaming out, “There are only two genders!” I'm reminded that I and trans people like me would likely be the first ones to die if Gilead ever comes to pass.

Yet maybe The Handmaid’s Tale should address this. The series often presents flashbacks showing how Gilead came to be. Perhaps a trans person’s struggles could appear there. Or back in the future world of Gilead, what if a character identified as transgender in this world? How would they hide or suppress it? Or what if there was a “passing” infertile trans woman who desperately had to hide her trans identity from the government? Or a trans man still able to carry babies forced to be a handmaid despite being a man? Adding trans people to the narrative could complicate the story in new and interesting ways that draw attention to not only the oppression of all trans people, but all genders (#ImAvailableforaWritersRoomJob).

I’m preparing to binge every episode of The Handmaid’s Tale. The show’s lack of transgender characters, whether intentional or unintentional, brings up a lot of questions about what the future may hold for the trans community in a dystopian world. Even if a real Gilead comes to pass - and I don't make it through the first act - I still want to know how it ends. I'm just saddened that I may not get to join the fight."

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TheCatFromOuterSpace · 11/05/2018 06:59

Oh dear

Winterlight · 11/05/2018 07:37

Coming up next week-

The trans community’s exclusion from Little Women and how Jo was really a trans man.

LaSqrrl · 11/05/2018 08:19

"For most ­women, Hulu’s The Handmaid’s Tale is terrifying and heart-wrenching.

What a DICK, seriously. "Hulu's"? No, that would be ATWOOD's.

Word 4, and already wrong. It goes downhill from there.

TerfsUp · 11/05/2018 08:25

Someone call a waaaaahmbulance for the author.

ChiefClerkDrumknott · 11/05/2018 09:07

It’s not about them it’s all about ME

TerfAndSerf · 11/05/2018 09:30

It showed up on my Facebook timeline

www.advocate.com/commentary/2018/5/09/why-trans-woman-cant-identify-handmaids-tale

TerfAndSerf · 11/05/2018 09:35

We are sometimes very visibly transgender due to old-fashioned gender stereotypes that a society like Gilead heavily leans into.

Seriously. A transgender 'woman' complaining about old-fashioned gender stereotypes, when the most prominent transwomen seem to aspire to porn star looks. Hmm

Willow2017 · 11/05/2018 09:38

Shit I have been doing 'fiction' wrong all these years!

I am not a Hobbit, Dwarf, elf, man, elephant (still cant watch that freaking scene in Dumbo), 'inhuman', person from another reality/time nor an alien, but I still emphasised with them, cried with them, got angry with them and laughed with them.

So glad someone came along to put me right.

Rainydaydog · 11/05/2018 09:39

We are sometimes very visibly transgender due to old-fashioned gender stereotypes that a society like Gilead heavily leans into

Sounds like they want to be part of Gilead! I did see a challenge on Rupaul's drag race was to dress up as a Handmaiden. Perhaps this person just wants to wear the scarlet cloak?

BeyondParody · 11/05/2018 09:40

"For most ­women, Hulu’s The Handmaid’s Tale is terrifying and heart-wrenching"

For all females, Attwood's The Handmaid’s Tale is terrifying and heart-wrenching

Fixed it.

KittyKlaws · 11/05/2018 09:41

Coming up next week-

The trans community’s exclusion from Little Women and how Jo was really a trans man.

Grin That amused me.

frankexchangeofviews · 11/05/2018 09:41

I don't see a problem with it at all sorry and I am as GC as you like. I disagree with the writer about whether they are a woman and whether they should be going into women's spaces but that's kind of by the bye to the point of the article.
lots of fans of TV shows make suggestions about how they think they could be improved FFS, they are not demanding that the show be banned because its transexclusinary or whatever. The writer not saying that because she can never experience OFred's terror it does not matter and frankly the fact that the writer acknowledges that the reproductive aspect of female biology makes our lives very different to transwomen's is something that you will NEVER see the usual TRA frothers even acknowledge.

Jeeeeez ( as they say on t'internet)

LaSqrrl · 11/05/2018 09:42

I am not a deer either, but still traumatised over that 'snuff scene' in Bambi. Disney hates women, hates mothers. Kills them off relentlessly.

LaSqrrl · 11/05/2018 09:43

The writer not saying that because she can never experience OFred's terror it does not matter and frankly the fact that the writer acknowledges that the reproductive aspect of female biology makes our lives very different to transwomen's is something that you will NEVER see the usual TRA frothers even acknowledge.

Acknowledgement, sure, nice little cookie crumb. Empathy, clearly not.

Willow2017 · 11/05/2018 09:44

They should also complain about the lack of trans zombie representation in the Walking Dead. Just so they can empathise as trans zombies are so much more oppressed than cis zombies.

But they would still be erm...dead Grin Aww bless them but aint nobody got time to ask what a walker identifies as, just stab the fecker in the head, job done.

Oooh but Negan did admire Sashas 'beachball sized lady balls' Wink

GlomOfNit · 11/05/2018 09:45

Unfuckingbelievable. I feel left out of this FICTIONAL narrative because in this FICTIONAL dystopia, anyone queer would have been executed and because I can't bear children I'd be of no use either. But it hurts my feelings. That I'm not included in this FICTIONAL narrative.

theeyeofthestormchaser · 11/05/2018 09:46

Wow. When Margaret Atwood wrote this in 1985, why didn't she think about the poor transwomen???? Why???

Actually, this is scary. Why does this transwomen think she has the right to override what what another woman has written? Does she realise the series was a book first??

Where will it end?

It's fiction. And it's up to the author to decide what goes in her book.

AngryAttackKittens · 11/05/2018 09:51

With all this in mind, it becomes hard for me to identify within the world of The Handmaid’s Tale. How can I feel June’s terror at her situation when I know I would never face it myself? I can sympathize but not empathize with so many of the show's stories. This feeling of being left out can sometimes hurt, especially given the cultural significance that The Handmaid’s Tale has come to represent for a lot of women under the Trump administration.

Narcissistic personality disorder illustrated in one short paragraph.

We know what would have happened to trans people in Gilead - they'd have been sent to the Wall. Trans women could not have been handmaidens because they can't get pregnant. This is not a calculated slight against trans women by the author, it's just their particular situation not being relevant to the things the book is focused on.

Sometimes that "I am offended when things are not about me?" bird meme is the only real answer needed.

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/05/2018 10:34

Disney hates women, hates mothers. Kills them off relentlessly.

Technically, Walt Disney, himself, adored his mother. So much so that he bought her a lovely new house with his film studio money. But the heating system wasn't properly fitted and it leaked carbon monoxide. She died of carbon monoxide poisoning, and Walt Disney never forgave himself. That grief can be seen in a lot of his films. Plus in fairy tales, the mothers tend to be dead in the source material.

Not being a film studio owner, nor having bought my mother a house with dodgy fittings - I cannot empathise with this story in any way.

Sontaran · 11/05/2018 10:39

Not being a film studio owner, nor having bought my mother a house with dodgy fittings - I cannot empathise with this story in any way.

It's not a funny story but that has really made me Grin pretzels.

But also, obviously, me neither.

KittyKlaws · 11/05/2018 10:42

lots of fans of TV shows make suggestions about how they think they could be improved FFS, they are not demanding that the show be banned

Rightio, you do know lots of people disagree with them too and are allowed to don't you? I'm personally sick of a narrative which says anything about women has to include people who are trans. So this pissed me off and I expressed it.

Jeeeeez ( as they say on t'internet)

Scabbersley · 11/05/2018 10:43

Someone call a waaaaahmbulance for the author

Grin

seriously though, that is some of the most spoilt, entitled writing I have read in a long time

ToeToToe · 11/05/2018 10:43

The mothers die (and sometimes the father too - unless he marries a wicked stepmother) because the story is about the child making their way in the world/through the story without parental protection. It's a very old trope, and I don't think means mothers are hated.

I think mothers are revered - seen as the ultimate love and protection. Hence why they're often done away with, in order for the story to happen.

Women (esp stepmothers and witches) are frequently hated.

Scabbersley · 11/05/2018 10:48

Or back in the future world of Gilead, what if a character identified as transgender in this world? How would they hide or suppress it?

Yes, that's true, how on earth would someone born male pass as male if they needed to to avoid death strokes chin

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/05/2018 10:52

Scabbersley Grin

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