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Pilgrim Tucker, who spoke at the meeting last Tuesday, being stitched up on TV tomorrow?

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Datun · 04/03/2018 13:18

She has tweeted that she was invited to talk about self ID on the Victoria Derbyshire Show being aired tomorrow at 9am.

But she had no idea that the interviewer was a transactivist. They only told her afterwards.

How much longer is this bias going to be pushed by the BBC? Will a gender critical woman be invited to interview a transactivist.? You know, in the interests of ‘fairness’.

How are women supposed to counter the #nodebate when it is being rigorously upheld by the BBC?

I sincerely hope the programme is fair and balanced, despite my misgivings...

mobile.twitter.com/PilgrimTucker/status/969544468750880774

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LangCleg · 04/03/2018 13:32

Victoria Derbyshire is one of the BBC's biggest cheerleaders for trans, particularly trans kids. I very much doubt this will be a pleasant watch.

Badgerthebodger · 04/03/2018 13:32

That is just outrageous! How bloody dare the BBC. Impartial my backside. Pilgrim has been a very brave voice in all of this and I hope she isn’t attacked tomorrow, whether on Twitter or targeted in real life. It is shameful

TERFclick · 04/03/2018 13:42

Just how many children did BBC safeguarding practices allow adults abuse them?

Datun · 04/03/2018 13:42

I mean it's one thing to say right, you talk on behalf of gender critical feminists, and you talk on behalf of trans-activists. And off you go.

That's clearly not what has happened.

Why is there this fucking agenda?

If the argument was solid, it would stand up to scrutiny. Any scrutiny.

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Boxesandbuttons · 04/03/2018 13:50

Was the actual interviewer trans? Or was it that they were both on the show at the same time? Who was the interviewer?

Boxesandbuttons · 04/03/2018 13:55

Datun are you sure that isn't what happened? Does anyone have more info?

DoctorW · 04/03/2018 14:00

Hello all - OK I think we have an important job to do tomorrow. As many of us as possible need to watch tomorrow and be ready with complaints on twitter to:

@VictoriaLIVE. @louisa_compton @vicderbyshire @BBCTwo

Use the hashtag #victoriaLIVE

The video will be shown just after 9am on BBC2 at the start of the show and then there will be a live studio discussion at 10am.

If this really is as biased as we think it will be the BBC need to hear we are not happy loud and clear.

Yet again the BBC is demonstrating appalling bias and we can't let this go on.

The BBC has a public service duty to be balanced on controversial issues like this and it has to stop.

DoctorW · 04/03/2018 14:03

Boxesandbuttons

I've spoken with Pilgrim and I can confirm that the interviewer in the film is a transwomen and a transactivist.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 04/03/2018 14:03

Pilgrim's tweet explains that she was browbeaten by her interviewer over rape statistics etc until she lost her rag. She then found out, after the interview, that the 'interviewer' was a transactivist. Sounds like a setup to me Angry

Boxesandbuttons · 04/03/2018 14:07

Oh. What was the interviewer's name, does anyone know?

Datun · 04/03/2018 14:10

Boxesandbuttons

I'm listening to what Pilgrim has said, and her worry.

She was fantastic at the meeting on Tuesday. She is a community organiser and has been involved in Grenfell.

Personally, I think this is going to be one-sided. Every instinct tells me so.

But, if it isn't, and it's just my cynicism at work, I'll be the first one to congratulate the BBC, I promise.

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DoctorW · 04/03/2018 14:15

The interviewer is a trans-identified male called Rebecca Root. Works with Gendered Intelligence.

www.rebeccaroot.co.uk/

LangCleg · 04/03/2018 14:31

Rebecca Root was the star of a BBC sitcom about man-meets-trans-and-love-ensues a couple of years back.

Datun · 04/03/2018 14:34

Someone called Jamie from gendered intelligence came onto a thread yesterday. Posted a long comment about them, and then resolutely refused to answer any questions.

If fact they just plopped and ran.

Why won't they debate?

Properly. Openly. Publically.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3181592-Gendered-Intelligence-advice-please

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Boxesandbuttons · 04/03/2018 14:42

Datun not in any way doubting anything you say or defending BBC, but think it will be useful to be clear on facts in terms of complaining.

Was this person presented as the interviewer/a journalist asking questions? How was the interview set up?

YippeeKiYayMelonFarmer · 04/03/2018 14:42

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UpstartCrow · 04/03/2018 14:51

YippeeKiYayMelonFarmer I dont think she said the interviewer was trans, but they were a trans activist - someone who is very pro trans rights at the expense of women's rights.
The 'questions' sounded goady;

''The interviewer was doing all the TRA dodgy argument tricks on me eg:
Me: 'men commit sex offenses at 50x the rate women do'
TRA interviewer: 'so you think all men are rapists', ''

Boxesandbuttons · 04/03/2018 14:56

I do think difficult questions like that will be part of interviews and need to be expected, handled and prepped for. It's not nice and I feel for Pilgrim. But it is part of the media debate. It should go both ways though.

Still want to know a bit more about how the interviewer was presented in relation to the programme, whether questions were asked both ways, etc if anyone has info

Datun · 04/03/2018 15:16

Boxesandbuttons

I don't think anyone should complain until, or unless, they've seen the programme.

When I saw Pilgrim last Tuesday, I was struck by her candour and heartfelt speech.

Until then, I had never heard of her.

This might just be me. But as far as I know she's not particularly famous?

I won't be able to watch the programme until later in the day as I'm taking someone to hospital. So I'll watch it when I get back.

I just got a sinking feeling when I read her post.

The BBC's track record in this does not fill me with confidence.

And yes, I agree, that your stance should remain solid, whether you are talking to a transactivist or not.

But one of the things I've noticed about this is that the women who are spearheading these objections, are not necessarily media savvy, they're not trained in public speaking, they don't have any kind of spin or hidden agenda.

They are just women. With questions.

I think we can all understand that it's a piece of piss for an interviewer to 'spin' an interview, especially if you're not dealing with someone well practised in the art themself.

Unfortunately for the BBC, most of the women on here, are fully informed of the arguments and can instantly recognise spin or bias when they see it.

The fact that Pilgrim was not told she was talking to an activist raised alarm bells for me. Especially as she subsequently felt that she had not acquitted herself as well she might, on that very basis.

But I'm fully prepared to give the BBC the benefit of the doubt and see how the programme goes.

The only thing I have ever wanted over this issue is transparency and balance.

I just want oxygen to flow through the debate.

Because, so far, it hasn't.

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YippeeKiYayMelonFarmer · 04/03/2018 15:36

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FencingFightingTorture35 · 04/03/2018 15:53

Hopefully if the questions were goady and riled Pilgrim, they will rile a good section of the viewers. I'm sure VD has a lot of females watching

DoctorW · 04/03/2018 16:34

Yes - this post is just flagging up that tomorrows trans piece on Victoria Derbyshire is likely to be very one-sided. So we should watch it for ourselves and complain if we think that women's voices should have been given more air time or were portrayed in a bad light.

This is just a head up for everyone I think and a reminder that we must start complaining.

swivelchair · 04/03/2018 16:46

I agree with the watch and wait - but yipee - I think the difference it makes is that the interviewer is imbued with an air of authority in the interview situation - normally you'd hope they were impartial.

SmurfOrTerf · 04/03/2018 16:52

The BBC do not give a fuck about viewers
Or women

The good thing is it will probably open a few more peoples eyes

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