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What happens if Trump wins?

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Soapalert Sun 31-Jul-16 07:28:34

I know the comments Trump has made about blocking Muslims from the USA, and building a wall between the states and Mexico. But what will the world look like if he becomes president? People seem to be afraid of his success and suggest we 'should push the button now' or that he will be assassinated. Surely he comments are to stir up media interest?

claig Sun 31-Jul-16 08:06:38

Huge changes if Trump wins. It will be the end of globalism and it will be America First. Fat cats, bigwigs, servants and lackeys are petrified of the end of globalism and their free trade deals and the offshoring of US jobs and the end of global governance and all its allied scams like climate change and all the rest. Total change in world direction, rule for the people and not the elites.

claig Sun 31-Jul-16 08:10:05

Also US and Russia rapprochement. Realignment of world geopolitics. Bankers no longer deciding policy. No more "humanitarian wars" ad all the rest that the liberal elite were prone to. Peace, jobs, business, common sense, people above elites and EU global governance by fat cats etc.

All over for the elites.

claig Sun 31-Jul-16 08:26:32

"Brexit, Trump and the fall of the elites: UK voters deliver a worldwide wake-up call"
Where the Brexit and Trump waves intersect is in a global revolt against the elite, economic decisions of the last few decades: increased immigration, free trade, etc. Those of us who have generally supported and benefited from those decisions might want now to adopt a bit of humility and recognize they haven’t necessarily delivered in the manner promised."

Biggest shakeup in world politics, the end of the elites. They are losing power, going down along with their elite biased media. No one believes their media any more.

The Corbyn coup by the lackeys is the last gasp of the Establishment and its media, but we are seeing the people defeat the elites worldwide.

53rdAndBird Sun 31-Jul-16 08:29:37

Well, he's a fascist. Fascism hasn't lead to great things, historically speaking. So I think things would look pretty bad.

honeysucklejasmine Sun 31-Jul-16 08:30:06

scams like climate change


Soapalert Sun 31-Jul-16 08:30:47

Thanks Claig, you sound very positive about a Trump leadership. Do you think it will be as bad as people make out if he gets in? If you are American, will he get your vote?

53rdAndBird Sun 31-Jul-16 08:31:35

Claig exists in a world somewhat different from our world. One where Trump is one of "the people" and not "the fat cats" wink

PotOfYoghurt Sun 31-Jul-16 08:32:03

I really wouldn't put too much value to what claig says.

megletthesecond Sun 31-Jul-16 08:38:22

As I saw on twitter. ....... it'll be great for comedians if Trump wins. But they'll have to fit the jokes in between inauguration on the 20th and nuclear fall out on the 23rd.

LineyReborn Sun 31-Jul-16 08:41:59

Anyone who really thinks that global peace can be achieved by doing things like denying climate change is happening, is deluded.

Trump is on one big greedy cynical mess of a man. I doubt he'll win, fortunately.

The Claig Collective is on here doing a very entertaining version of MN Political Performance Art, I think.

Poptart27 Sun 31-Jul-16 08:42:37

The world will end.

That's what you want to hear, right?

DiggersRest Sun 31-Jul-16 08:44:51

I know 53, fancy using the sentence 'no more elitism' if Trump wins. Claig, you slant on politics is really a little too bizarre to take you serious.

DiggersRest Sun 31-Jul-16 08:45:46

* your slant

SpikyWater Sun 31-Jul-16 08:52:47

I read an interesting article about how history repeats itself, we are at a point where people think they are voting for change (in ways that Claig outlines), but in fact a Trump presidency and the recent Brexit vote is likely to have far reaching consequences which aren't obvious right now, but to historians of the future will be glaringly obvious.

I'll try to find the article, it was worth reading.

SpikyWater Sun 31-Jul-16 08:55:50

This is it (if the link works!).

claig Sun 31-Jul-16 10:16:22

'Do you think it will be as bad as people make out if he gets in? If you are American, will he get your vote?'

No, it will be very good if he gets in. I'm not American, but if I was, I would vote for him. The reason the media are saying it will be so bad is that their bosses and all the lackeys are terrified of a Trump presidency because it will end all their scams.

claig Sun 31-Jul-16 10:28:25

We are seeing a renewal of politics across the world as the people reject the lackeys and their lies. Some people still vote for the lackeys, but the numbers are decreasing. Corbyn will probably win again.

"It’s Not Just Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders—The Whole World Is Turning On Its Elites

U.S. politics and its voters are often insular and inward looking, but right now the same issues Americans care about are creating a firestorm in other parts of the world.

By now, it’s undeniable: America’s frustration with political elites is upending party loyalty. And now, this phenomenon is taking on global proportions.

According to a recent poll, nearly half of Bernie Sanders’s supporters will not vote for Hillary Clinton, while 22 percent are backing Donald Trump. “I’m a registered Democrat,” one respondent explained, “but I cannot bring myself to vote for another establishment politician like Hillary.”

Based on media coverage, it’s easy to label this distaste purely domestic. However, from the U.K.’s “Brexit” referendum to political movements in France, Italy, and the republic of Georgia, voters have been rising up against an out-of-touch, technocratic elite.

In each of these cases, political insiders have responded with doomsday predictions. Voting against the establishment, they argue, will lead to a swift collapse of our most precious institutions. The anti-establishment movement is not devoid of risk, but when the status quo is failing, it must be challenged. Embracing these protest movements as opportunities to enact reform is the only way our institutions can endure.

However distinct they may be, the Western world’s growing anti-establishment movements carry a remarkably consistent message. Namely, that our political institutions too often favor a small class of privileged elites, at the expense of average citizens.

For Americans, this view is most evident in Trump’s unlikely rise to the GOP nomination. His signature proposals, after all, reject the establishment belief in increased trade and immigration as unalloyed economic goods."

The lackeys are losing worldwide.

SwedishEdith Sun 31-Jul-16 10:47:49

That article's good SpikyWater - thanks.

lljkk Sun 31-Jul-16 11:10:21

You know how Obama got the Nobel peace prize as soon as he was president, before he actually did anything?

There would be some equivalent anti-peace prize awarded to Trump as soon as he becomes prez. sad.

To be more pragmatic, it all depends who is in Congress. Obama has struggled to do anything with a consistently hostile Congress. If Republicans are majority party, they will pressure Trump to go along with the Rep. party pet issues, so that Trump in return can get thru some things he likes (horse trading, yes?). The party wants to remove all the peace deals with Iran (& possibly Cuba, too). That will be near top of their list. Trump has pledged to build up military capacity & Republicans love that (military-industrial complex build up, money for special interest lobbyists in constituencies). The tobacco industry may get a resurgence. At this rate Trump will appoint next Supreme Court justice, and the Party will probably choose that person (someone with extremely socially conservative views).

Trump has planned corporate tax cuts: he believes in trickle down economics, and less regulation -- although I'm not sure it's possible for the fed. govt to become any more gutted in its regulatory powers than it was under GW Bush. Republican party will be fine with that, since it benefits their big donors. Plus Bush & cronies made a huge amount of money out of contracts (read Molly Ivins' Bushwacked book, if you can stomach it) so Trump will probably nurture similar types of cronies in return for cooperation of the Rep. party in Congress. True immigration limits hurt big business, but the party will go along with it if they get the other things on their shopping list. Trump and the Rep. party both want more privatisation for public services.

Trump has pledged to dismantle Obamacare, which probably means gutting Medicaid, too. Trump wants to gut trade deals which could make American manufacturing exports harder to sell, but things like arms, tobacco, services will still sell well, so palatable for many Congress-reps.

Things that could happen under Prez Clinton but won't happen under Prez Trump; Federally funded Research into gun violence, limiting access to guns or broadening access to abortion, federal money for preschool places (generally doesn't exist), more drop-in clinics for medical care, better funding structure/loans scheme for university courses, continued & expanded subsidies for renewable energy.

Tax cuts for the lower paid, or expanded social security are moot issues: Republicans may concede this to Prez. Trump if they win on their pet issues (like renewed hostility with Iran). Clinton may see those as negotiable, too.

Hillary basically wants to continue much of what Obama has done and Trump has pledged to reverse a lot of it.

Trump's border "wall" will probably turn out to be extra barbed wire.

Trump talks a populist agenda, but he is very much a corporate fat cat.

LineyReborn Sun 31-Jul-16 11:34:31

I know, it's like Lord Sir Alan Sugar pretending he's still in touch with his humble barrow boy roots and at one with the common people. Oh, hang on...

Collymollypuff Sun 31-Jul-16 11:40:48

53rd, is he a fascist? I think I've been blocking my ears and going "lalala" so excuse my naivete.

sonlypuppyfat Sun 31-Jul-16 11:41:10

He must be saying something that people want to hear

PacificDogwod Sun 31-Jul-16 11:43:47

lljkk, thank you for your very informative post. It's good to see something with a bit of substance thanks

<not looking at claig, oh no> wink

Stevefromstevenage Sun 31-Jul-16 11:50:00

Where the Brexit and Trump waves intersect is in a global revolt against the elite

In fact where Brexit and Trump votes meet is where the global elite convince the regular working folk to further enshrine elitism.

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