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Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VIII

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Cologne2016Petition Tue 26-Jan-16 21:04:25

THE PETITION _ Please sign and share

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Let the debate continue.....

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clam Tue 26-Jan-16 21:20:26

Well done for doing all that with the links.

Wordsaremything Tue 26-Jan-16 21:39:19

Thanks- beat me to starting new thread. smile

Cologne2016Petition Tue 26-Jan-16 21:42:03

I did think after doing all those links I'd find someone else would have beaten me to it grin

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Wordsaremything Tue 26-Jan-16 21:44:13

Yeah but mine would have been minus the links!

Inkanta Tue 26-Jan-16 21:45:18


glenthebattleostrich Tue 26-Jan-16 21:55:35

Hi all,

Hope no one minds me popping a link to the petition on here again!

Wordsaremything Tue 26-Jan-16 22:02:28

Love the map !

januarybrown1998 Tue 26-Jan-16 22:11:42

Well done and hello all!

This is the email I have sent to everyone I know:


I don’t normally ask people to sign anything, I just assume that most of those I know and love have a pretty decent moral compass. I’ve been shocked recently though, by the number of people who have said ‘What Cologne attacks?’ and then ‘Yeah, but that was in Germany.’

The media took days to report it. That’s inexcusable.

The practise of tarrush gamea or sexually motivated group attacks, though fairly well documented in Egypt (or google ‘Tahrir Square sex attacks’ for a depressing long list) has not been reported in Europe until Cologne. There are now many other cases being reported across Europe along with a horrifying number of rapes and sex attacks against women.

I do not for one moment think all refugees or economic migrants are potential rapists, anymore than I believe all Yorkshire men to be serial killers. I do believe, along with the governments of Belgium, Norway and Finland, that immigration exposes glaring cultural differences that need to be acknowledged and addressed, either through training or education.

This will also protect migrants and asylum seekers from the sort of knee-jerk violent right-wing reactions that I fear may grow as long as we shy away from having these tricky conversations. That are already happening in mainland Europe.

I have been sent a request to sign a petition that asks the UK government to bring forward proposals for extra measures to uphold UK women’s rights, safety & freedom, and to expand police understanding-recognition-response to such behaviour

It will be responded to at 10,000 signatures and considered for debate at 100,000. So please forward this email to ten more people you think might want to have the issue debated.

I think an initial debate is an excellent starting point. If nothing else, women in the UK and Europe do need to be aware of the phenomenon, about the sensitive issues that have caused it to be ignored, under-reported and denied, and ask themselves why their basic right to safety would appear to be compromised by some governments and media.

By signing and asking the government to debate we are ensuring that women's rights are not bargained away for political ends.

And finally, the UK government has already tabled an Early Day Motion, so clearly there are concerns at a high level about the events in Cologne. (Number 953 Attacks in European Cities) Please email your MP and urge them to sign that motion."

AMouseLivedinaWindMill Tue 26-Jan-16 22:19:18

Great letter January.

AnnaForbes Tue 26-Jan-16 22:37:47

Will be emailing my mp tomorrow asking him to sign the Early Day Motion. Thanks for that.

AMouseLivedinaWindMill Tue 26-Jan-16 22:40:46

what is an edm?

VertigoNun Tue 26-Jan-16 22:53:19

A few more signed the EDM, I am sure it was just the NI MP's and one conservative previously.

scarednoob Tue 26-Jan-16 22:57:12

Been reading the thread with interest and sorrow that it is necessary. This is an interesting, if heartbreaking, read. Yes, most people in the UK don't think this way, bar the odd nutbar who gets paraded around by the press. But how can we be sure that these views won't be imported given the current situation? Education in the right places and at the right time?

DeeEm Tue 26-Jan-16 23:05:09

There were reports that a Russian-German 13 year-old girl had been kidnapped and raped repeatedly over 30 hours. The police originally denied the kidnapping or rape had taken place. Her cousin spoke at an NPD rally (so I didn't believe it). She said the police had interrogated the girl on her own for 3 hours, pressuring her into saying it was consensual sex. The police are now saying she was missing but the sex was consensual. So maybe the cousin is telling the truth. The girl is 13 so shouldn't it be statutory rape anyway?

Moscow accuses Germany of hushing up Russian girl's rape
The Kremlin on Tuesday turned Russian media reports about the rape of a 13-year-old girl in Berlin into a diplomatic spat with Germany.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov accused Germany of “covering up reality in a politically correct manner for the sake of domestic politics” in his annual press conference on Tuesday, Spiegel Online reports.

He added that he hoped “there would be no repeat of cases like that with our Lisa”, saying “it's completely clear that she didn't disappear voluntarily for 30 hours.”

Lavrov was referring to reports in the Russian media that a 13-year-old girl from a Russian immigrant family was abducted in Berlin on January 11th by “Arab-looking men” and raped repeatedly over a 30-hour period.

Berlin police have furiously denied this version of events, saying that while the girl did go missing briefly, any sexual contact appears to have be consensual.

They say that they will give no more information out of respect for the girl and her family's privacy.

Berlin prosecutors are now investigating the incident.

VertigoNun Tue 26-Jan-16 23:09:36

Russia had fallen out with us and Germany in a week.

VertigoNun Tue 26-Jan-16 23:10:31

I hope the story of the 13 year old girl isn't true. I don't want someone to have gone through that.

scarednoob Tue 26-Jan-16 23:12:34

And the 10 year old boy sad

Nice respect for police:

AyeAmarok Tue 26-Jan-16 23:19:33

I lost the first thread halfway through. So placemarking so I can try to keep up with this one!

januarybrown1998 Tue 26-Jan-16 23:20:07

Interesting response from Finland.

MariscallRoad Tue 26-Jan-16 23:20:38

Cologne2016Petition many thanks
213. I am back from studio.

clam Tue 26-Jan-16 23:21:59

I read on one of these threads that the French/Italians are able to prove the age of migrants by measuring bone density, and that since this has begun, the number of people claiming to be under-age, has dropped dramatically.

(Sorry, can't find a link)

CalmYoBadSelf Tue 26-Jan-16 23:28:17

I have shared the petition request on FB and several friends have reposted it. I feel irrationally let down by one or two who have quibbled on the wording, aims, etc so my mental spreadsheet is updated grin

I have also emailed my MP asking him to sign the EDM and for his support (I would hope as a gay man he might have stronger feelings on protecting the rights of women and minorities than some other Tories)

januarybrown1998 Tue 26-Jan-16 23:31:08

Clam I did too and can't find it either!

In the meantime, one more bedtime story. Who used to say 'don't have nightmares'?shock

Anyway, this is probably a miserable note to say goodnight on...

Palebluedotty Wed 27-Jan-16 00:07:48

January I think it was Crimewatch sad

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